Illuminati Mind Control & Sniper

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Illuminati Playing Cards: The bottom of this playing card reads: At any time, at any place, our snipers can drop you. Have a nice day.

You can remember only too well the Beltway Sniper attacks in October, 2002, carried out by snipers -- or sniper fall guys -- that clearly were under Illuminati Mind Control [Read NEWS1725, "We Have Caught The Sniper Like A Duck On A Noose"]. For a 22-day period -- October 2-24 -- in 2002, snipers terrorized people in the Beltway area, killing them just as this card says: they dropped victims "at any time, at any place"! For these 22 days, the snipers shot 13 times, killing 10 people. Throughout this sorry episode, we constantly pointed out the various Satanic symbols the pattern of the sniping was placing on the ground. Let us review these articles.

"W A S H I N G T O N, Oct. 24, 2002 The last cryptic message from Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose to the Washington-area sniper referred to a Cherokee Indian story about an arrogant rabbit that was duped by the duck he tried to catch. 'You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things. You've asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' We understand that hearing us say this is important to you, Moose said late Wednesday [October 23, 2002] at a televised news briefing, called so authorities could release information on two people sought for questioning in the 13 sniper shootings." More:

Illuminati Mind Control & Sniper
Thu Oct 24 14:49:10 2002

Illuminati Mind Control & Sniper
One of the two men found at the rest area that are being questioned is 17 years old, an AP article in the Home page for AOL stats that the 17 year old is the stepson of the 40 year old. They were arrested without incident at the rest area and apparently the 40 year old is a veteran (Gulf War), of course. He was stationed at Ft Lewis Washington and Fort Ord California, two of the centers key Psychic Warfare training centers. Yelm Washington (The Ramtha Enlightment Center) governed by the Theosophical Society and Ft Lewis Washington are very close to each other, on a map they appear to look just miles apart. The article I read on the veteran arrested stated that he had sympathy for the people that were accused of shooting down the planes in
September of last year. Check out the excerpt from Fritz's book on the two military bases where this guy was stationed. The story already wreaks of a McVeigh soap opera. They continue to use the same tactics.

An excerpt from Fritz's Illuminati Formula for a Mind-Controlled Slave:

Page 314

In 1987, The Seattle Times, ran a front page story on Lt Col Jim Channon, who worked with the military THETA models. The story is entitled "The New Army's experiment with "New Age thinking" - the idean that the world can be changed by changing the way people think about it, and that the mind has invisible but tangible powers yet to be tapped. Centers were established at Fort Ord, California and in Washington, D.C., to explore the intriguing idea that mind power plus fire power could eith win wars or make them unnecessary.
From 1980 to 1982 the proposals were expanded to Ft Lewis Washington by Lt Col Jim Channon.....The Army began by finding young officers enthused with "new thought" and combining them with skeptical scientists.
The two groups were dubbed the butterflies (an appropriate name for Monarch mind-control men and the bees.'... One result was an Army think tank at the Pentagon that evaluated the paranormal- unusual psychic or mental phenomena. It brought in proponents of extra sensory perce

To be more specific there are weapons that operate in the power of the mind and whose lethal capacity has already been demonstrated." Some of those systems are Monarch systems of the THETA model, and many of those in the military are you men in the Illuminati. Some have been seen at NORAD in Colorado, which helps confirm that THETA models are being employed to bring in the Anti-Christ. (NORAD is a main center for Alex
and Janus end-times programming).
Dennis Stewart
MKultra and Project Monarch etc
Thu Oct 24 19:03:44 2002

Perhaps some of you are already aware of the document contained at this link,
but Dr. Ellen Lacter recently brought this to my attention. She is another
die-hard warrior battling for those victims of satanistic ritual abuse and/or
mind control abuses......her website is included by permission.....
Dear Dennis,

Please include my web-site. People can contact me through it:

Ellen  wrote:

I'm going to post this to a list to generate more discussion as we have been
heavily involved recently in MKultra and Project Monarch etc want me to include your website? I'll delete your name and email......

Dr. Ellen Lacter wrote:
Dear Dennis,

I highly recommend this book.

She has done her homework on the history, and interweaves released previously-classified documents with her memories of her own abuse
by MKUltra, etc.


Ellen L

Ernesto Cienfuegos
Arrest of "Muhammad" as Alleged Beltway Sniper... Smells!
Thu Oct 24 17:45:55 2002

Arrest of "Muhammad" as Alleged Beltway Sniper... Smells!

Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - October 24, 2002 - (ACN)
You probably woke up this morning to the news that a Black male by the name of "Muhammad" and his stepson had been arrested by the FBI and will most probably be charged with several counts of murder in the sniper shootings that have occurred around the nation's capital. The whole scenario as has been reported in the mainstream media "stinks to high heaven" and appears to have been carefully orchestrated to again blame a Muslim for the deeds of others which many believe may actually be Zionist federal government

There have been many indications that lead some Americans to believe that the "snipings" have a political motive and that they are being carried out by certain entrenched Zionist elements within the FBI, the CIA and the Pentagon. Let us not forget the "Anthrax Terrorist Attacks" that killed a score of people in the same general area in the east coast including many Black U.S postal workers. The investigation by the FBI has been going on for quite some time now yet no one has ever been arrested. The reason is, as many independent news sources have reported, including La Voz de Aztlan, that the "Anthrax Killer", is actually a Zionist microbiologist that worked at the U.S. Army's Medical Research
Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Anyone who carefully listens to ABC, CBS, NBC and other Jewish owned media outlets and analyses how reports of "terrorist attacks" unfold, will sense that the reports are carefully orchestrated to benefit Zionist interests. This was the case with the early reporting of the bombing of the federal building in
Oklahoma allegedly committed by Timothy McVeigh. Initially, the blame was being carefully directed by the controlled media towards Muslim Fundamentalists. Also, the reporting of the "mother of all terrorist attacks" that occurred on September 1,1 2001, was very suspect during the early morning hours, especially the reporting of Katie Curiac of NBC's "Today Show." This
Jewish national news anchor reported, within a few minutes of the second strike on the twin towers, that the "Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine" was to blame. How she was able to immediately determine this, is to this day unknown.

Let us not forget that International Zionism has declared war on Islam. The current and imminent attack on Iraq is being led, in large measure, by high level Zionists within the Bush Administration. Many of the terrorist attacks in the U.S. and around the world, including Bali, Indonesia, are being blamed on Muslims in order to garnish support by diverse groups and nations for the "Global War" against Islam by Zionists. Australia, which lost many of its citizens in Bali, is now more willing to join the coalition of Zionist influenced nations, including the USA, in an all out attack against Islamic countries.

The Oklahoma federal building bombing, the destruction of the New York Twin Towers, the Anthrax attacks and the Beltway snipings, all fit into an undeniable pattern. We, my fellow Americans, are being led through careful manipulation of events and their reporting by the media towards a national disaster that will cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of misled citizens, and especially those American citizens serving in the US Armed Forces. This Saturday, the nation will hear loud protesting voices in Washington D.C. and in San Francisco, from Americans of all races and faiths, who thankfully are catching on to the evil plans of International Zionism and their lackeys in Congress and the White House.

Today, the Los Angeles Times reported that President Bush was told by federal authorities that they were reasonably sure the case had been solved. This was said by a senior administration official on condition of anonymity, reported the Times. Oh yeah . . . sure, we wonder who this senior administration official is and who are these federal authorities? Could they be the same federal authorities investigating the Anthrax case?

There are other unconfirmed allegations that the Beltway snipings may actually be the work of federal government Zionist operatives and that they have now found a Muslim "patsy" to blame. On a nationally syndicated radio program, documentary filmmaker Alex Jones said on April 24, 2001 that the Baltimore Sun reported on a shocking, declassified Pentagon document, titled Operation Northwoods. According to the report Operation Northwoods, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for "hijacking jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC using paramilitary sniper teams." The formerly top secret Pentagon plan stated that “casualty lists in US Newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

The plan was rejected by President John F. Kennedy, according to the report but now we are seeing similarities between the sniper attacks and the terrorist activities called for in the Northwoods plan. We are now hearing White House officials and the controlled media saying that there is a good chance that al-Qaeda or Iraq are behind the sniper attacks and are warning the American people to look for similar attacks in other cities, thus creating a timely pretext justifying military action to capture Middle Eastern and Central Asian oil supplies in a war with Iraq.

Alex Jones stated on the radio program that he consulted with many law enforcement and military experts, including Colonel Craig Roberts, a former US Army Intelligence officer, Marine Corps sniper and the best-selling author of "One Shot One Kill." Colonel Roberts stated on the air that this operation could only be State-sponsored and was clearly the work of a rogue element from the top levels of global intelligence agencies. Colonel Roberts added that the "modus operandi" of the sniper attacks are indicative of a 2-3 man team trained in Special Forces ambush tactics of reconnaissance, insertion, concealment and successful evasion. Best-selling Doubleday author James Bamford, who broke the Northwoods Story in his book, "Body of Secrets" reported that, "the plan, which had been written with the approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called for innocent people to be shot on American streets." Alex Jones said, “In Operation Northwoods, we have a declassified US Government document, approved right up to the President, that advocates carrying out terrorism against the American people to terrify them into accepting tyranny. It is now public
knowledge that Roosevelt allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor as a pretext for war and that the Gulf of Tonkin attack that launched the Vietnam War was staged by LBJ. This is all now admitted historical fact, and there is no way to ignore the US government terror plan contained in the Northwoods document. The plan even lists the cities to be targeted, and one of them is DC.” Alex Jones added, “There’s no doubt about it, the US Government is the number one suspect in the sniper attacks.”

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La Voz de Aztlan 
A .223-caliber rifle was found in the car
Thu Oct 24 15:06:36 2002

.223 Rifle Recovered from John Allen Muhammad's car in Maryland
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:41:19 -0600
From: spiker


Sources Say Police Believe Two Held Are the Suspects in Sniper Case

Oct. 24 — A .223-caliber rifle was found in the car that two men wanted for
questioning in the sniper shooting case were sleeping in at a Maryland rest
stop when they were arrested early this morning, ABCNEWS has learned.


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John Allen Muhammad, a.k.a. John Allen Williams, is one of two men taken
into custody early Thursday for questioning in the sniper attacks in the
Washington, D.C., area.

The rifle was found by agents executing a federal search warrant this
morning after the arrests of the two men.

The arrests were made shortly after 3:30 a.m. ET, after an alert motorist
spotted the two men sleeping in a Chevy Caprice parked at a rest stop on
Interstate 70 in Frederick County, Md., about 50 miles northwest of
Washington, D.C., and notified the authorities.

The police who took the call notified the sniper task force, and SWAT teams
surrounded the car at a distance and waited for the right moment to move in.

In what reporters at the scene described as a "dynamic" move, the SWAT
teams closed in on the vehicle and the two men inside were pulled out. They
were taken to Maryland State Police barracks in Frederick County, where
police compared them to the available mug shots and fingerprinted them.

Investigators have not officially called the two men suspects in the case,
referring to them as "people of interest," but ABCNEWS' John Miller told
Good Morning America police have told him they think the two will emerge as
the official suspects in the sniper shootings by this afternoon.

A law enforcement source close to the investigation told The Associated
Press that "I'm confident that these are indeed the people" sought in the

"The evidence is all there and because of things we've received in the
communications," the source said on the condition on anonymity. "It fits
together with evidence they've collected in the last couple days."

License Plate photo

Police arrested two men who were sleeping in a car bearing this license
plate. The arrests were made at a rest stop on Interstate 70 in Frederick
County, Md., about 50 miles northwest of Washington, D.C. ( The
arrests took place "without incident," Maryland State Police spokesman Maj.
Greg Shipley said.

"I don't know what their reaction was, it wasn't an aggressive one," said
Shipley. The men were transported to Montgomery County, where the
investigation is based.

On Wednesday, Montgomery Police Chief Charles Moose announced that arrest
warrants were issued for 42-year-old John Allen Muhammad, also known as
John Allen Williams, and 17-year-old Lee Malvo. The teenager is believed to
be either Williams' son or his stepson.

According to ABCNEWS' Miller, the police believe the two individuals in the
Chevy Caprice matched the description of the two African-American men in
the arrest warrant.

The Sniper’s Call

The break in the case may have come from two phone calls to the tip line,
one from someone in Tacoma, Wash., and one that may have come from one of
the people involved in the sniper shootings, reportedly frustrated that
investigators were not taking him seriously enough.

Both callers to the tip line told police that if they wanted to find out
more about the sniper attacks, they should look at a shooting at a liquor
store in Montgomery, Ala., that occurred on Sept. 21. Two people were shot,
one fatally, in that incident.

According to The Baltimore Sun, a piece of paper found at that crime scene
had Malvo's fingerprints on it, which led the sniper task force to Tacoma,
Wash., where Malvo lived with Muhammad.

Montgomery Police Chief John Wilson today denied that any note had been
found at the scene but would not go into any details about the evidence
that was found at the scene.

"We do have evidence that we don't want to go into here," Wilson said. "I
don't want to let the suspects know too much about what we have to work with."

The gun used in the shooting in Alabama was not the same gun used in the
sniper shootings in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C.

But he also said that police in Montgomery, Ala., would like to get an
opportunity to talk to Malvo about the liquor store shootings.

"At some point our investigators are very interested in talking to him
about this," he said.

In the liquor store shooting, an unidentified gunman killed the store's
manager and injured a clerk. Claudine Parker, 52, and Kellie Adams, 24,
were locking up for the night when the shooting occurred. The two were
walking to their vehicles when they were shot by a person who apparently
intended to rob them, according to media accounts of the shooting. Parker
was killed and Adams hospitalized with serious injuries.

Another line to Muhammad apparently came when police in Baltimore stopped a car Muhammad was driving on Oct. 8, when the vehicle was spotted driving

The car was a station wagon, not the Caprice or a white minivan or box
truck such as the vehicle that the task force had described as suspect
vehicles in the shooting spree. Muhammad identified himself and he was
released after a computer search found no outstanding warrants.

‘Duck in a Noose’

The announcement of the arrests early today capped a dramatic period that
included federal authorities descending Wednesday on a home in Tacoma, and
searching the premises for possible evidence in the sniper case.

Authorities searched a location in Tacoma for evidence connected with the
sniper investigation.

On the East Coast, authorities announced that a man shot to death Tuesday
morning was linked by ballistic evidence to the killings of nine other
people and the wounding of three that are believed to be the work of the

In a late-night briefing Wednesday, Moose sent out a message to the sniper
— the third time this week the chief has used the media to urge the sniper
to communicate with police directly.

Moose said he understood that the sniper had attempted to communicate with
them on several different occasions, calling several different
jurisdictions. The inability to communicate, Moose said, was as frustrating
for investigators as it must have been for the sniper.

"Our inability to talk has been a concern for us as it has been for you,"
Moose read. "You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain
things. You asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a
noose.' We understand that hearing us say this is important to you.
However, we want you to know how difficult it has been to understand what
you want because you have chosen to use only notes, indirect messages and
calls to other jurisdictions."

Moose encouraged the sniper to call them at a toll-free number especially
for him or send a note to a P.O. box they had established.

"If you are reluctant to contact us, we are ready to talk directly with
you," he said. "Our word is our bond. If we can establish communications
with you we can offer other means of addressing what you have asked us for.
Let's talk directly. We have an answer for you about your option. We are
waiting for you to contact us."

Moose did not further explain his latest message to the sniper and did not
take any questions.

There are American Indian stories that tell of a rabbit who thinks he is
crafty catching a duck in a noose, but then the duck flies off, carrying
the rabbit high into the air. When the rabbit gets scared and lets go of
the noose, he falls into a hollow tree, where he is trapped and eventually
gets so hungry he eats his own fur.

"It could be an indicator that the sniper is saying to police that they
will not prevail, that the sniper has another surprise but it's way too
early to tell that." ABCNEWS' Miller said.

Search in Tacoma and Beyond

The investigation now shifts to questioning Muhammad and Malvo as well as
examining possible evidence seized in Tacoma.

Muhammad, sources said, is a Gulf War veteran who may have been stationed
at Fort Lewis in Washington state and may have conducted target practice at
a Tacoma location that agents with the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms searched on Wednesday. Fort Lewis is a military base
that has a sniper training school.

Authorities searched the residential complex in Tacoma for evidence
connected with the sniper investigation, an FBI source told ABCNEWS. The
source said the search was based on information developed in the
investigation on the East coast.

FBI and ATF agents swept the backyard of the duplex with metal detectors,
but the officials would not say what they were looking for. The agents also
brought in a backhoe to dig up a tree trunk for police examination.
Neighbors told ABCNEWS that Muhammad used the tree trunk, which sources
said was being flown to Andrews Air Force Base, for target practice.

Lt. Col. Joseph Piek, a spokesman at Fort Lewis, said the FBI had asked for
help from the Army base south of Tacoma. But Piek could not confirm TV
reports that a Fort Lewis soldier may have once resided at the location
that was searched.

Local FBI agents said they could not comment on the search, but said it was
"consensual." The search, sources said, began after someone phoned in a tip
to investigators in Montgomery County, Md., regarding the sniper. FBI
agents also visited Bellingham High School, 90 miles north of Seattle, on

ABCNEWS' John Miller in Rockville, Md., Pierre Thomas in Washington, D.C.,
Bob Woodruff in Ashland, Va., Neal Karlinsky in Tacoma, Wash. and ABCNEWS
Radio contributed to this report.
Gary Richard Arnold
Capitol Killer - A CIA soldier in Arab garb?
Thu Oct 24 21:09:43 2002
Capitol Killer - A CIA soldier in Arab garb?
Will Bush blame "Lee Harvey Muhammad" as the culprit?
By: Gary Richard Arnold
1: An FBI Special Agent on September 20th of this year, testified that Khalid Almihdahar, had attended a major terrorist conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and that he had a visa that allowed him to enter and exit the U.S. at will. It Was the FBI superiors that prohibited his arrest. Before the Towers Attack on 911, the FBI Agent wrote an email to Washington "Let's hope the National Security Law Unit will stand behind their decision then, especially since the biggest threat to us now, Osama Bin Laden, is getting the most protection"
2: FBI Special Agent Colleen Rowley of their Minnesota headquarters testified that she was..."repeatedly TOLD TO STOP THE FIELD OFFICE'S INVESTIGATION of alleged conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui WEEKS BEFORE THE ATTACK."
3: It was FBI informant Carol Howe, who had infiltrated a group associated with McVeigh, that claimed the AGENCY HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE. Again the FBI seemed to have wanted the incident to occur.
4: In the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, The FBI HAD INFILTRATED THE TERRORIST CELL with a former Egyptian army officer, who supplied the terrorists with the bomb which destroyed a huge portion of the building. The FBI furnished the bomb- which means-YOUR TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THE TERRORIST ATTACK! Six people died and a thousand were injured. Why aren't the FBI agents in jail charged with "first degree murder?" They set it up!
When are the SHEEPLE out there going to get the message? It's more than obvious that these "acts of terror" are not only desired, but carried out by these New World Order operatives. They create the enemies. They create the incidents. They underwrite these operations. Fareed Zakaria, managing editor of Foreign Affairs, the official publication of the CFR, wrote in September 1996 and admits: "IF SADDAM HUSSEIN DIDN'T EXIST, WE WOULD HAVE TO INVENT HIM. HE IS THE LINCHPIN OF AMERICAN POLICY IN THE MID-EAST" Their own operatives are telling us what they are going to do before they do it.
Alexandra Robbins in her newly released book "Secrets of the Tomb", paints us a clear picture of the SKULL & BONES. Specifically how they speak through the sides of their mouths with deadly dialog. Mrs. Robbins reveals that:
"In 1989 when the Export-Import bank did not want to extend credit to Iraq, for the benefit of Saddam Hussein..., Bush Sr. was determined the push through credits. By the time the Foreign Aid Appropriations Bill reached the Senate floor in Sept. 1989 with a provision with a barrier against Iraq, Republican Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania (Skull & Bones graduate of 1931) had obtained an amendment stating that President Bush COULD WAIVE THE RESTRICTION on Export-Import bank credits if he found that the provisions application is not in the National interest."
On January 17th 1990 issued a formal public waiver INVOKING THAT AMENDMENT. What this means folks is that, Daddy "opium poppy" Bush, used U.S. monies to underwrite Saddam Hussein. Why is that so difficult to understand?
It is the job of the "Evilarchy" that's orchestrating this controlled-chaos to keep the Sheeple DUMB ENOUGH-LONG ENOUGH to herd them into the slaughter house where they will have their throats cut. Jr. George and his Government goons are just "Judas Goats" who are guiding the GULLIBLE toward the corrals where they can be killed, controlled or incarcerated.
It is obvious that Junior George is NOT THE MASTER MIND behind the scenes thinking this thing through. Any one who makes statements like:

"I understand small business growth. I was one" (New York Daily News: 2.19.00)
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it" (Reuters: 5.5.00)
"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism, polls and principles. Come and join this campaign" (Hilton Head S.C.: 2.16.00)
"The most important job is not to be governor, or fist lady in my case" (San Antonio Express News: 1.30.00)

There's no way that the "Moneyarchy" would put this bungling Bonesman in charge of there key (controlled) countries affairs. The Illuminati knew when they selected him that he was not 1st, but ranked 114th in his class, was SNORTING COKE, a drunkard and that his "Crowning Achievement" as a student at the Phillips Academy in Andover Massachusetts, was to elect himself "High Commissioner of STICK BALL." Anyone with an I.Q. over 80 and not mesmerized by the mass media can figure out that Baby Bush is not the brightest bulb in his Daddy's Demonic "THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT"
Americas Networks and cable channels are "seething with agents" from the Council on Foreign Relations. This Orwellian organization, existent since 1921, is orchestrating the "setup" and "sell out" of America's Sovereignty. For the last 8 decades, their members have "setup" and "synchronized" chaos and control. Alger Hiss, a Soviet spy, convicted for "High Treason" and perjury, was the First Secretary General of the United Nations Organizational Conference in 1945. Alger was not only a traitor and a spy, he was President Roosevelt's key advisor from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Hiss along with a group of other Globalists wrote the United Nations charter. The mass majority of Junior George's administration, as was Roosevelt's, is comprised of members of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Junior's Faustian Father, is a member of the "Cryptic Council", like Lincoln P. Bloomfield who wrote A World effectively controlled by the United Nations-dreamed of establishing a NEW WORLD ORDER on the ashes of America's sovereignty. Bloomfield stressed that to pull this (GLOBAL GOVERNMENT) off, an enemy is needed or else we..."might loose whatever incentive we have for World Government" It is obvious Bush and his Bonesmen are not only "creating the chaos" but "fabricating OUR foes" Bloomfield tells us in his own words, "the order we examine may be brought into, existence as a result of a series of SUDDEN, NASTY and TRAUMATIC shocks." What's happening now in Washington D.C., in Bali and what happened with the World Trade Center are only the first of a series of sudden, nasty and traumatic shocks designed to destroy the United States of America and the freedom for which it stands. Is a pattern emerging?

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October 24, 2002
9 am Pacific Time

American Patrol has learned from a reliable source that John Lee Malvo, one of the sniper suspects, had been in INS custody in Seattle and was released on Jan. 24, 2002 without a bond.  He was ordered to return for a deportation hearing on November 20th.  Malvo had been in custody for one month for immigration violations.  He was released in the custody of his mother.

Malvo is Jamaican.

Once again, America suffers because our government does not care about its own people.

Tell the President how you feel about this.
Call Bush
877-762-8762 or 800-648-3516
Fax Ziglar, head of INS
Glenn Spencer


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