FBI E-Mail Snooping Device Attacked

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By D. Ian Hopper
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, July 12, 2000; 8:12 a.m. EDT

WASHINGTON -- Civil liberties and privacy groups are railing against
a new system designed to allow law enforcement agents to intercept and
analyze huge amounts of e-mail in connection with an investigation.

The system, called "Carnivore," was first hinted at on April 6 in
testimony to a House subcommittee. Now the FBI has it in use.

When Carnivore is placed at an Internet service provider, it scans all
incoming and outgoing e-mails for messages associated with the target
of a criminal probe.

In a letter addressed to two members of the House subcommittee that
deals with Fourth Amendment search-and-seizure issues, the American Civil Liberties Union argued that the system breaches the Internet
provider's rights and the rights of all its customers by reading both sender and recipient addresses, as well as subject lines of e-mails, to decide whether to make a copy of the entire message.

Further, while the system is plugged into the Internet provider's systems,
it is controlled solely by the law enforcement agency. In a traditional
wiretap, the tap is physically placed and maintained by the telephone

"Carnivore is roughly equivalent to a wiretap capable of accessing the
contents of the conversations of all of the phone company's customers, with the 'assurance' that the FBI will record only conversations of the specified target," read the letter. "This 'trust us, we are the government' approach is the antithesis of the procedures required under our wiretapping laws."

Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the ACLU, said citizens shouldn't
trust that such a sweeping data-tap will only be used against criminal
suspects. And even then, he said, the data mined by Carnivore, particularly subject lines, are already intrusive.

"Law enforcement should be prohibited from installing any device that allows them to intercept communications from persons other than the target," Steinhardt said in an interview. "When conducting these kinds of investigations, the information should be restricted to only addressing

A spokeswoman for Rep. Charles T. Canady, R-Fla., who heads the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, said the congressman had no comment on the letter.

In testimony to Canady's subcommittee, Robert Corn-Revere, a lawyer at the Hogan & Hartson law firm in Washington, said he represented an Internet provider that refused to install the Carnivore system. The provider was placed in an "awkward position," Corn-Revere said, because the company feared suits from customers unhappy with the government looking into all the e-mail.

"It was acknowledged (by the government) that Carnivore would enable remote access to the ISP's network and would be under the exclusive control of government agents," Corn-Revere said.

Corn-Revere told the committee that current law is insufficient to deal with Carnivore's potential and that the Internet provider lost its court battle in part because of the Internet's connection to telephone lines, and that the law was stretched to cover the Internet as well.

Corn-Revere would not reveal the name of his client, and the client lost the case. He said the FBI has been using Carnivore since early this year.

James X. Dempsey, senior staff counsel at the Center for Democracy and
Technology, said the main problem with Carnivore is its mystery.

"The FBI is placing a black box inside the computer network of an ISP,"
Dempsey said. "Not even the ISP knows exactly what that gizmo is doing."

But Dempsey said Internet providers contributed to the problem, by saying that current technology does not allow the Internet provider to sort out exactly what the government is entitled to get under a search warrant. The carriers complained that they had to give everything to the FBI.

"The service providers said they didn't know how to comply with court
orders," Dempsey said. "By taking that position, they have hurt themselves, putting themselves into a box."

Marcus Thomas, who heads the FBI's cybertechnology section, told the Wall Street Journal that the bureau has about 20 Carnivore systems, which are PCs with proprietary software. He said Carnivore meets current wiretapping laws, but is designed to keep up with the Internet.

"This is just a specialized sniffer," Thomas told the Journal, which first
reported details about Carnivore.

Encrypted e-mail, done with an e-mail encoding program like PGP, still stays in code on Carnivore, and it's up to agents to decode it.

Dempsey has a possible solution to the problem, though one that's probably unlikely - show everyone what it does and how it does it, allowing Internet providers to install the software themselves.

"The FBI should make this gizmo an open-source product," he said. "Then the secret is gone."
07/11/00 - mcac@home.com writes:

This may be very TRUE!! I lost 7 months of e-mail yesterday...to the day!
Jan. 11/2000 at 10:00am to July 11/2000 11:00 am. DON'T BELIEVE THE
LIE...that Windows 2000 has the Best Security ever...
I have a pic of Gates & Clinton laughing together that came from a magazine...
As far as the lost e-mail....I hope they read it and learn something!!!! By
the way, they cleaned out approx 10,000 e-mails...so I wouldn't have to do it!
AM READY FOR MORE...they have to find them now...
The hacker that broke into my computer came from http://www.cw.net Atlanta, GA &
San Francisco, CA his/her address is My ISP was
notified/warned to leave my e-mail alone and find the culprit, under the
Privacy Act.... Cable & Wireless History: http://www.cwhistory.com/

Federal Bureau of Investigation:

American Civil Liberties Union:


Center for Democracy and Technology:

Pretty Good Privacy (PGP):

FBI agent says he wasn't trying to demolish gym when he drove tank through it

The Judicial Accountability Initiative Law

The CIA, Mind Control & Children

WHO WACO..........!!!
Bernard Rapoport, age 79, Waco, Texas, Clintons long time friend.
Rapoport is retired chairman and CEO of American Income Life Insurance Co., which
sells supplemental insurance policies to more than 2 million union members. Rapoport
told Mother Jones: "My father was a Russian Jewish revolutionist. The first
candidate I supported was a Socialist candidate. I started getting involved when
I was 11 years old. You could say it's in my blood."
Justice Department investigation should target UT campus
As best as I can find it was Bernard Rapoport who sells all
the life insurance to Teamsters Union members and is of
course connected to the Chicago Mafia, Dan
Rostenkowski, Hillary Clinton, Hubbell, Dan Lasater,
Mochtar Riady, John Huang, the Chinese Communist and
the whole Opium-China-CIA connection going back I guess
to the Boxer rebellion.

The New American - Truth and Cover-up - June 14, 1993


Absence of 2 witnesses questioned - WACO TRAIL:

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Service addresses patriotism, sacrifice
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assembly and of the free press," Haight said. "These things are necessary for
a free people."  --  astewart@heraldextra.com

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