01/15/98 - This is the transcript of  the  press  conference
held at 1:30 p. m. cst today  by  State  Rep.  Charles  Key,
revealing new evidence  in  the  Oklahoma  City  bombing  --
foreknowledge on the part of Congressman Ernest Istook,  and
the  involvement  of  a  sect  of   Muslim   fundamentalists
operating in Oklahoma City.

The conference was carried live on KTOK  Radio  AM  1000  in
Oklahoma City. Please pardon any typos. This transcript  was
prepared in a great hurry. -- Michele


JERRY BOHNEN (News Director KTOK Radio):  ...information  he
says there was prior knowledge about the bombing. Live  now,
here's KTOK's Kim Edwards.

KIM EDWARDS (KTOK Reporter): Jerry,  a  throng  of  national
and local media have gathered around the  Survivor  Tree  in
downtown Oklahoma City, prepari ng to  hear  what  testimony
Representative Charles Key is prepared to offer. Right  now,
Glenn Wilburn's widow is at the podium, and she is  speaking
t o the press about her  experiences  with  the  grand  jury
investigation that is looking into the possibility that  the
government had prior knowledge of  t  he  April  19th,  1995
bombing. After she is done speaking, Representative  Charles
Key will come up to the podium and he will release  what  he
says i s new  damaging  evidence  that  the  government  did
know, prior to April 19th, that a bomb was going to  go  off
at the Murrah  Building  here  in  downtown  Oklahoma  City.
Again, right now, Kathy Wilburn, Glenn  Wilburn's  widow,  w
ho was... Glenn Wilburn was crucial in  getting  this  grand
jury started. She is now  at  the  podium  speaking.  Jerry,
back to you.

BOHNEN: Okay, Kim. Now, based on information and  such  from
the Key investigation and their committee, I've spoken  with
the  two  witnesses  tha  t  they  brought  on   hand...   I
understand,  at  least,  are  to  be  on  hand  for   th   e
announcement today -- a couple of  Oklahoma  County  Reserve
Sheriff's Deputies. They have a story  to  tell  about  what
was told them the night o f the bombing, statements made  by
at least an Oklahoma Congressman and an individual  who  was
accompanying the Congressman to the scene  of  the  Murra  h
Building  --  indications  of  prior  knowledge  about   the
bombing and perhaps an indication of at least a bomb  threat
that had been made some ten  days  before  the  April  19th,
1995 bombing. And again, this information being gathered  by
State Representative Charles Key. Kim, let's listen  to  who
i s speaking at this point now.

EDWARDS: Right now, Kathy Wilburn is still on  the  stand...
or still at t he podium and then Representative Charles  Key
is  standing  behind  her  with  a  crowd  of  other  people
associated with the bombing investigation.  Several  of  his
investigators  are   there   with   him.   And   there   are
representatives  from  virtually  all  of  the  local  media
outlets as well as CNN and the Fox News Channel. A crowd  of
spectators has come away from the  fence  now  and  is  also
gathering around listening to  what  Kathy  Wilburn  has  to
say. Again, you talked about  the  deputies  that  say  they
have new information a nd they are there  with  Charles  Key
as well. I'm having some problems hearin g you,  Jerry,  and
I'm going to toss back to you for just a moment  while  I  f
ix my audio problems at this end. And again,  Kathy  Wilburn
is still speakin g at the podium as we speak.

BOHNEN: Okay. While Kim clarifies that... The  two  deputies
apparently were on guard duty  the  night  of  the  bombing.
I've interviewed them  last  night  and  the  interview  was
embargoed until  now  while  they  are  preparing  the  news
conference. And what their story is is that one of them  was
on guard duty in front of the Water Resources Board when  an
Oklahoma Congressman approached  them  and  happened  to  be
talking about what happened...  you  know,  earlier  in  the
day, and the Congressman said, "Yeah we knew this was  going
to  happen.  We  blew  it."  There  was  apparently  som   e
right-wing, fundamentalist Muslim sect in Oklahoma City  and
the Sheriff's deputy made the comment, "I beg  your  pardon?
What did you say?" "Yeah, w e knew it was going  to  happen.
We blew it." And at the same time, another

reserve deputy was escorting one of the Congressman's  aides
around and at that point the aide told  the  reserve  deputy
that, "Yeah, Congressman indicated that there  had  been  an
April 9th bomb  threat  made  to  the  federa  l  building."
Apparently no  documentations  can  verify  or  support  the
claims but certainly these are two long-time members of  the
Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve who tell me  that  they've
been haunted for the past two-and-a-half years by what  they
knew, that they said they've talked  freely  about  it  with
other Oklahoma County Sheriff's  deputies,  indicating  that
whenever  they  would  see  news  media  coverage   of   the
government denyin g any prior knowledge, they  would  almost
laugh about it and say, "Well,  we  know  of  at  least  one
individual who had supposed prior knowledge." Let's  see  if
KTOK's Kim Edwards has his monitoring problem rectified.

EDWARDS: Yes, I do, Jerry, and  you're  exactly  right.  The
deputies do sa y that they were  haunted  by  this,  knowing
that at least one government official claims  he  knew  that
this was going to happen, and then that's wh y they  finally
decided to come forward. And apparently they will talk  toda
y and hopefully answer questions about why they  waited  and
what exactly the y heard from Representative  Ernest  Istook
on the night of April 19th. Agai  n,  Representative  Istook
apparently -- or  according  to  Oklahoma  County  Reser  ve
Deputies -- said that he knew this was going to  happen  and
talked about a bomb threat that had been called in on  April
the 9th and also claimed to have knowledge of a  right-wing,
fundamentalist Muslim group working in Oklahoma  City.  What
we can tell you right now: at  the  podium,  Kathy  Wilburn,
the widow of Glenn Wilburn, who was instrumental in  getting
the  Oklahoma  County  grand  jury  to   investigate   prior
knowledge of the bombing.

She is talking to reporters and others  that  have  gathered
here at the bom b site about her experiences since  the  day
of April 18th. She is joined by Representative  Charles  Key
who is about to step forward to the podium. An  d  let's  go
now live to  the  podium  to  cover  the  comments  made  by
Representative Charles Key.

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): No one  of  us,  and  no
one, would have ever wanted anything to have  happened  that
happened here two-and-a-half years ago or  the  ordeal  that
we've gone through to simply find the truth.

As we've seen with the deadlocked jury recently  in  Denver,
it's obvious that there is much more to this case than  what
some in the government wan t  us  to  know  about.  But  the
government refuses to admit that there  were  other  murders
and we know that there were.

Why do they refuse to admit that and why do they  refuse  to
continue to lo ok for them? Why has it been so difficult  to
get answers to the questions? Why have we been fought  every
step of the way in an unprecidented manner?

When Glenn and I and Kathy and Edye and  many  others  began
this quest more  than  two  years  ago,  we  had  a  lot  of
questions, and we've had a lot of tho se questions  answered
since then. With these two witnesses coming  forward  today,
we hope that many more questions will begin to be answered.

In October, Don Hammonds <sp?> and David Kulkendorfer  <sp?>
came to us...contacted my office, I should say. It  took  us
several weeks of playing phone tag before we  could  finally
make contact. And just approximately s ix weeks ago  we  got
together, sat down, and  talked  to  them  and  heard  their
story -- the same story you're going to hear in just  a  few
minutes. Thes e men are  very  courageous.  They're  telling
just the truth, just what  they  know,  and  we  think  that
people deserve to know what the truth is.  And  th  e  grand
jury has had this information passed  to  them  and  they'll
hear this testimony and see their sworn  affidavits  in  the
very near future. So I want to introduce right  now  to  you
David and  Don.  They'll  tell  their  stories.  After  they
finish, I'll come up and make a  few  comments,  and  th  en
after that time, all  of  us  will  be  glad  to  field  any
questions. So I'll introduce to you David at this time.

DAVID KULKENDORFER <sp?> (Oklahoma County Sheriff's  Reserve

Hello. Can you hear me okay? My name is  David  Kulkendorfer
<sp?> and I' m  an  insurance  agent  in  Oklahoma  City  by
occupation. I'm also a reserve  fo  r  the  Oklahoma  County
Sheriff's office, a reserve deputy,  which  is  my  publi  c
service. And during the day of the bombing, I was  on  South
Shields headin g north to an appointment when I saw a  plume
of smoke go up. I was at the intersection of S.E.  66th  and
Shields. At that time, I knew something ba  d  happened.  By
the black  smoke,  I  thought  possibly  an  oil  tanker  or
something exploded. And by the direction  of  the  smoke,  I
said,  "That's  right  downtown  and  something  is   wrong.
They're going to need some help."

So I got on the phone and called my office and told them  to
cancel my appointment, that I  wasn't  going  to  be  in.  I
said, "There is something going  on  in  the  city  and  I'm
going to check." I think that was  my  responsibility  as  a

When I got here... I got here about 9:30  and  it  was  very
chaotic, obvious ly most of you know. So  I  just  basically
started to help and tried to do wh at I could do  to  be  of
assistance. I wound up down at the northwest corner  of  the
building, and I entered  the  building  at  that  point  and
worked my way through the building  looking  for  survivors,
calling out to see if anybody could hear me.  And  I  worked
my way along with an Oklahoma City  police  officer  and  an
FBI agent. We worked our way to the seventh floor. And  a  t
that time, we were heading  west  to  east  on  the  seventh
floor and a firema n  came  from  the  other  direction  and
said, "You don't need to go that way. I've  already  cleared

So we were in the  hallway  heading  back  to  go  down  the
stairway, and on th e south side of the  building  we  could
see people running, scattering. We kind of  looked  at  each
other and said, "Well, what's going on?" And  we  heard,  "A
bomb! There's another bomb! Get out of the building!" So  we
immediately gathered ourselves and ran to the  stairway  and
started down t he stairs. And as  we  were  going  down  the
stairs, this  lady  police  officer,  she  stepped  on  some
debris and twisted her ankle so we basically  had  to  carry
her the rest of the way. As we left the  building,  the  FBI
agent picked up her up and carried her  to  the  safe  area.
Well, after the "all clear," I came  back  up  and  I  said,
"Well, what I need to do is I need to get organized and  get
in uniform." So I called my wife and told her,  "Ca  ll  the
office. I'm not coming back  today.  Get  my  uniform.  I'll
meet you  at  the  Sheriff's  Office."  I  met  her  at  the
Sheriff's Office and  changed  clothes  and  came  back  and
pretty well just tried to do what I could do. We  went  into
the building continuing with the search  and  rescue.  Well,
th at went on throughout the day.

Then that evening, when the rains  came,  we'd  pretty  well
backed off and w e went to our command  post  and  got  rain
gear, came back out after the rain.

And I was pretty well working the northwest  corner  when  I
was approached by a U.S.  Marshal  and  said,  "We  got  the
building. The fire department turne d it over  to  us.  This
is now a federal crime scene. We need to  secure  the  area.
Nobody   comes   in   except...."   He   said,   "Keep   all
non-essentials out 2E" I said, "What's  non-essential?"  And
he said, "The only ones  to  come  in  are  the  search  and
rescue and law enforcement." I said, "Okay."  So,  basically
that was my responsibility  from  that  point  on,  to  keep
everybody out.

Well,  later  on,  during  the  evening,  a  lot  of  public
officials started to show up. The mayor  showed  up  with  a
contingency, and the district attorne y, the  governor,  and
several dignitaries. I was standing approximately  in  front
of the Water Resources Building, to try to keep  people  out
and watching the search and rescue. As I looked to my  left,
I could see Congressman Istook kind of working his way  east
to west. Well, he worked his way up to me and he stopped  to
my left and introduced himself and we kind  of  small-talked
a little bit about, "How's everything? It's a bad, bad,  bad
deal." And he made the comment to me,  he  says,  "Yeah,  we
knew this was going to happen." And  I  said,  "Excuse  me?"
And he says, "Yeah, we knew this was  going  to  happen.  We
got word throug h  our  sources  that  there  is  a  radical
fundamental Islamic group in Oklahoma  City  and  that  they
were going to bomb the federal building."

And I didn't say anything because I really  had  nothing  to
say. But a little bit  of  small  talk  later,  he  kind  of
looked at me and said, "What department are you with?"

He came over in front of me,  and  at  that  time  I  had  a
raincoat on and my campaign hat from the county.  He  looked
at the emblem on the campaign ha t.

And I said, "Well, I'm a deputy  with  the  Oklahoma  County
Sheriff's Office 2E"

And he said, "Oh!  I  thought  you  were  with  the  Highway
Patrol," and immediately stopped talking and  turned  around
and walked away.

And really, the reason  I  haven't  said  anything  to  this
point... Don and I have talked about it every time  we  were
on duty, and I thought,  "Since  th  e  grand  jury  was  in
session, I'm sure this informoation is going to come  ou  t.
It's got to. Because I'm sure if he made a  comment  to  me,
other people know also."

And this last fair, when Don and I were working, we  got  to
discussing it again, and Don said, "Well, let me  do  this."
He said, "Let me call  Representative  Key  anonymously  and
tell him what we have to say, and if they want to  hear  us,
fine; if they don't, fine. But at least  we'll  know  either
they know it or they don't."  So  he  called  Representative
Key  and  through  telephone  tag   we   finally   made   an
appointment and we basically sai d what we had to  say.  And
later,  Representative  Key  called  us  back  for   another
appointment... another conference  and  said,  "We  need  to
take this to another level." He said, "What you have to  say
is very important." S o that's why we're here.  And  like  I
said, that's all I know.  I  don't  know  the  befores,  the
afters, or the what fors. All I know is this is  what  wa  s
said to me and that's what I'm repeating to you.

DON  HAMMONDS:  <sp?>  (Oklahoma  County  Sheriff's  Reserve
Deputy): My name is Don Hammonds and I'm a  businessman  and
I've also been a reserve deputy wi th Oklahoma County  since
1992. And I'm just going to jump  in  right  kind  of  where
Dave... where we were  working  together  on  the  northwest
side. And our job was to also give people  coming  in,  like
the mayor and stuff like that, hard hats and make sure  they
had hard hats, and also not to let anybody take pictures.

I noticed a lady back behind me by a  back  hoe  over  there
taking pictures.

I went up there and approached her and told  her  that,  you
know, "You can'  t  take  pictures  here,  ma'am."  And  she
identified herself as  an  attorney,  Lanney...  Lana  Tyree
<sp?>, and she was with Ernest Istook. She said the  y  were
friends and she was an amateur  photographer  and  that  she
was taking pictures for Ernest Istook.

So I agreed to let her come on in, but I told  her  she  had
to make sure sh e took pictures  of...  up,  and  no  facial
shots of anybody because they were photo sensitive.  So  she
was... I was with her as she  was  taking  pictures  of  the
building and stuff like that. And she made a comment  to  me
that Istook told her that they were aware of a  bomb  threat
since April 9th, an d that's all she said to me.

That's the kind of stuff that... after it all happened...  I
mean, you didn't really  think  much  about  it  until  this
grand jury and stuff stated probing into it and people  were
claiming that there wasn't any prior  knowledge.  I  started
thinking about it and got with Dave, and we put two and  two
together. I mean, hey! Somebody  knew  about  a  prior  bomb

This ought to be known. And you know, I was given a date  --
April 9th -- that they knew about it, ten days  before.  And
you know...

So we feel like, you know,  it's  only  fair  that  everyone
knows the truth that there is... you know, what's  going  on
and who else knows about this.

Thank you.

CHARLES KEY: Again, we'll take  questions  here  in  just  a
moment, but I guess some final thoughts are that  we've  had
a lot of information. It's been a long  process  that  we've
been through, and it's probably still got  a  long  ways  to
go. We've had a lot of people contact us  with  information,
and I'm sure, and I understand the county  grand  jury,  now
that  the  two  trials  are  over,  they've  had  a  lot  of
information come forward. And I ca n say to you  that  there
will be more  very  significant,  dynamic  information  like
this come forward in the future. This is just the  first  of
some maj or revelations that prove what Glenn  Wilburn  said
quite a number of months ago, and that he was right --  that
there was significant prior knowledge.

And there are those that know that.

And I want to take this time to call again  on  people  that
do know information to come forward, take it  to  the  grand
jury. You can get it t o our  organization  if  you'd  like.
Because the truth needs to be told. It deserves to be  told.
And many people may be implicated because of  their  silence
and their lack of action in regard to this.  The  people  of
this State and of this city and of this country  deserve  to
know the truth.

There is no reason why you can't just lay all of  the  facts
and the truth out about this case or any other case and  let
justice find its way throug h what the truth  and  what  the
facts are. And that's all we want. That's a ll  most  people
want. And I can't think of any  reason  why  that  can't  be
done in this case.

Again, we've had so much trouble. We've been  fought  in  an
unprecidented way, at every turn and every step.

JERRY BOHNEN: You've been listening to a  live  coverage  on
KTOK -- a  news  conference  held  by  State  Representative
Charles Key revealing the testimo ny or the  claims  of  two
Oklahoma County Reserve Deputy  Sheriffs,  that  Congressman
Ernest Istook told them the night of the bombing,  "We  knew
th is was going to happen, we blew it." So far,  no  comment
from Congressman Ernest Istook, but we'll  have  him.  He'll
be joining us live  at  4:15  p.m.  on  the  KTOK  Afternoon
Report. We're eleven minutes away from two o'clock  2E  Live
from the KTOK News Center, I'm Jerry Bohnen.



Transcript - 01/15/98 - KTOK Radio, Oklahoma  City:  Charles
Key Responds to Congressman Ernest Istook:

JERRY BOHNEN (News Director,  KTOK  Radio  AM  1000):  State
Representative Charles Key made another advancement  in  his
bombing investigation today, presenting two  reserve  county
sheriff's deputies who claim they were  told  the  night  of
the bombing by  Congressman  Ernest  Istook  the  government
knew  of  the  coming  attack.   Representative   Key,   the
Congressman denies it,  cal  ls  it  garbage,  and  so  does
attorney Lana Tyree <sp?> who was also named in t he  claims
of the deputies. Any reaction about that?

CHARLES KEY (State Representative): Well,  I  guess  on  the
one hand it is to be expected. It's  unfortunate  that  this
had to happen like this, but it' s C9  the  fact  is,  these
two  gentlemen  -  and  I  have  to   emphasize   the   word
"gentlemen," very credible individuals -  came  forward  and
they had sworn affidavits. They are  willing  to  go  before
the grand jury. They have nothing to gain and everything  to
lose by doing this. And their statemen ts  are  as  true,  I
believe, as they say they are, word for word.

BOHNEN:  I  talked  to  Lana  Tyree   <sp?>   and   to   the
Congressman. Both believeC9 I think  Lana  Tyree  more  than
the Congressman perhapsC9 that  t  he  deputies  are  simply
confused about what they heard and the  order  of  how  they
heard it and things like that.

KEY: Well, I've heard some of the responses on some  of  the
media account s so far, and what's always interesting to  me
is when you have  Congressman  Istook  or  others  who  have
responded to things like this, that they like t o  say  time
affects their memory and they are misunderstanding now.  You
kno w, it always  is  a  one-way  street.  Their  memory  is
affected, but Congressman Istook's  is  not.  When  he  says
things like I've had these people make  fal  se  statements,
that's absolutely ludicrous. These people came to us. We  we
re very careful in how we handled their testimony.  So,  you
know, it's alway s a one-way street on these kind of  deals.
And these guys  are  willing  to  take  polygraphs.  They're
willing to go before the grand jury. And they, like I,  have
a whole lot to lose because of this and not much to gain.

BOHNEN: But let me clarify something.  I  mean,  you  didn't
contact the Congressman to find out, correct?

KEY:   That's correct.

BOHNEN:  Did you talk to Lana Tyree?

KEY:  No, I didn't.

BOHNEN:  Why not?

KEY: Well, frankly, after everything that  we'veC9  I  think
the best way to understand and answer that is for people  to
understand everything that we've been  through.  We've  been
viciously and personally attacked from th e very  beginning,
and misrepresented in  many  cases  along  the  way.  And  I
didn't expect to have the kind of response  that  you  would
want to have. I think the responseC9 What I mean by that  is
I would expect somebody lik e the Congressman or Lana  Tyree
on the one hand to possibly  deny  this.  The  y  had  their
opportunity to say what they believe was the truth, or  what
the y want to represent as being the truth, and I  think  it
just needs to be lef t there and let the grand jury look  at

BOHNEN: In other wordsC9 I have a question then  about  your
role and th e investigators and such and what you're  trying
to do. I mean, should ther e be some  quality  control  over
what you're finding and what you're trying t  o  present  to
the grand jury? Do you feel  maybe  you  shouldn't  have  to
actually investigate and verify or  give  more  credence  to
the claims of so me of the people  who  are  coming  to  you
with their stories?

KEY: Well, the bottom line, Jerry, is that there is  quality
control, and we have gone very thoroughly  over  what  these
people and everything else that we've done. Quality  control
in my opinion would not include going t o  the  Congressman,
as in this case, or the attorney Lana  Tyree,  and  if  they
would have responded and said, "No,  we  didn't  make  those
statements," the n we don't bring it before the grand  jury.
On the contrary, I think it goe  s  before  the  grand  jury
anyway. That's the proper way to do it.

BOHNEN: And the Governor today making a  statement  as  well
that he thinks you're flirting with legislative censuring.

KEY: Well, the Governor makes a lot  of  statements  without
thinking. The Governor has said a lot of things  about  this
bombing case that will come back to haunt him. And he  needs
to show a little restraint  about  what  he  says  in  these
kinds of situations because there's a lot  of  evidence  out
there that is going to continue to prove  and  back  up  the
fact that there was prior  knowledge.  You  know,  you  have
about  500  people  who  are  victims  family  members   and
survivors of the bombing, who have signed on  and  have  the
opinion that there was sufficient  prior  knowledge  on  the
government's part, or they should have had sufficient  prior
knowledge because of the information they  had.  That  is  a
huge  amount  of  people,  compared  to   those   that   are
represented by the Governor and others from time to time  as
being survivors and family members that are on the  opposite
side  of  the  fence  on  this  issue.  There  is   a   huge
discrepancy, but it's on the favor of those that  say  there
are  serious  problems  with  the  government's  case,   and
they'll continue to back up their side of the story.

BOHNEN: Final note here. You're not  finished  with  all  of
this. You say you're going to have some more  very  dramatic
or serious revelations in the coming weeks?

KEY: Yes, there will be  more  like  this,  and  some  might
even say they're more dynamic than  this  revelation  today.
And  the  information  that  we  know  about  continues   to
convince us even more than we've ever been convinced  before
that this is a significant cover-up of  prior  knowledge  of
a sting operation that went  wrong  and  there's  a  lot  of
people covering their hind-sides to keep  that  from  coming
out, but it is coming out.

BOHNEN: Representative  Charles  Key,  thank  you  for  your

KEY:  Thank you.

BOHNEN: We're at  twenty  minutes  past  five  on  the  KTOK
Afternoon Report.



Four Transcripts:  Istook Responds to Charles Key's Press Conference

Interview No. 1:  Transcript:

KTOK  interview  -  01/15/98  -  Congressman  Ernest  Istook
responds  to  the  revelations  of   Charles   Key's   press
conference. Transcript begins shortly  after  the  start  of
the interview (sorry about that):

ERNEST  ISTOOK  (U.S.  Representative  from  Oklahoma):   To
publicize such false and outrageous claims that are  just  a
bunch of garbage.

JERRY BOHNEN (New Director, KTOK Radio  AM  1000):  But  did
you talk with a  ny  deputies  that  night?  Do  you  recall

ISTOOK: I talked with lots of people, just like  all  of  us
did.  All  of  us  were  talking  aboutC9  among  ourselves,
talking about, you know, what's going on.  The  news  media,
KTOK, as I say,  in  particular,  was  broadcasting  stories
about the possibility that this might be a  spread  of  Arab
terrorism. So frankly, Jerry, you were one of the ones  that
were working on  stories  and  the  fact  that  people  were
talking about those stories is not the same as claiming  now
that people were saying they had advanced knowledge  of  the
bombing of the Murrah Building. I certainly didn't.  I  know
of nobody in government that  had  any  advanced  knowledge.
The only people that I know who had  advanced  knowledge  of
the Murrah Building bombing were Terry Nichols  and  Timothy
McVeigh,  the  people  who  have  been  convicted  of  their
involvement. If there's more  people,  then  let's  let  the
grand jury and District Attorney Bob Macy get to the  bottom
of it, and let's do what I'm doing. Every time  there's  any
way that I can cooperate  with  any  sort  of  investigation
that relates to this, I'm doing it. But you don't do  it  by
just jumping on rumor mills and trying to  publicize  rumors
rather than cooperating with law enforcement.

BOHNEN: In this case, I've talked to Lana Tyree  <sp?>,  the
attorney that  one  reserve  deputy  says  he  had  a  brief
conversation with her, and he felt that  she  came  on  into
the bomb site with you, but  Ms.  Tyree  says  no,  she  was
there independently as  a  photographer  and  that  she  was
there already before you arrived.

ISTOOK: Well,  that's  correct.  She  was  there  also  that
evening. There was, as you know, hundreds of people  on  the
scene that evening. And I think you can tell your  listeners
what I know Ms. Tyree has told you, that I  never  made  any
such claim that they are now trying to say that,  well,  she
said that Istook said such-and-such, and she  said  no  such
thing. I'll tell you, Jerry, there's some  people  that  are
just  trying  to  build  rumor  upon  rumor,  inuendo   upon
inuendo, and it's hurting. It's draining the resources  that
need to go into the investigation of the prosecution of  the
people that were actually involved, rather  than  taking  up
the time of  investigators  chasing  down  false  statements
such as were publicized today  I  really  take  insult  that
these false statements were made about me today

BOHNEN:  Representative  Istook,  I  appreciate  the   time.
Thank you very much, sir.

ISTOOK:  Thank you, Jerry.


Interview No. 2:

Transcript:  KTOK  interview  --  01/15/98  -  Response   of
Congressman  Ernest  Istook,  Attorney   Lana   Tyree,   and
Governor Frank Keating to the revelations of  Charles  Key's
press conference.

JERRY BOHNEN (News  Director,  KTOK  Radio  AM  1000):  Good
afternoon. Another step in the investigation of the  bombing
by State Representative Charles Key.

CHARLES  KEY  (State   Representative):   With   these   two
witnesses coming forward  today,  we  hope  that  many  more
questions will begin to be answered.

BOHNEN: This, at an afternoon news  conference  to  announce
the testimony of two  reserve  deputies  from  Oklahoma  who
claim an Oklahoma Congressman had  prior  knowledge  of  the
Murrah Bombing. The county reserve deputies  claim  Oklahoma
Congressman  Ernest  Istook  revealed  the  night   of   the
Oklahoma City bombing the government had been  warned  about
the  possible  attack.  Reserve  Deputy  David  Kulkendorfer
<sp?> recalls standing on guard duty in front of the  Murrah
Building and talking  with  the  Congressman,  and  he  says
apparently another Reserve Deputy,  Don  Hammonds,  escorted
attorney Lana Tyree <sp?> who came to  the  bomb  site  with
the Congressman as well. Both men stepped  forward  recently
and told their story to  State  Representative  Charles  Key
who heads the investigation of the bombing. Both Istook  and
Tyree deny it, and Tyree is the attorney who spent  time  as
an Oklahoma City bombing site  photographer.  She  says  the
two reserve deputies  are  confused  in  believing  she  had
information about threats before  the  buiding  was  bombed.
The deputies say Tyree was at the  site  the  night  of  the
bombing and accompanied Istook. She says,  no,  but  snapped
some pictures of him with rescuers.

LANA TYREE (Attorney): Congressman Istook told  me  that  he
appreciated it. I said, "How are  things  going?"  He  said,
"Fine." We just basically  small-talked  for  a  moment  and
that was it.

BOHNEN: But one deputy claims  Tyree  told  him  Istook  had
said there had been  a  bomb  threat  ten  days  before  the
bombing. Tyree says this story  is  absurd.  Key's  repeated
statements suggesting the government might have been  tipped
off  to  the  bombing  could  be  getting  him  close  to  a
legislative censure - so  suggests  Governor  Frank  Keating
today, who says he can't understand why  Representative  Key
continues to suggest the government  knowingly  allowed  the
bombing to happen.

FRANK KEATING  (Governor  of  Oklahoma):  It's  bizarre  and
absurd, and completely contrary to human nature.

BOHNEN: And the governor praises Key's efforts,  though,  to
identify others involved in the bombing plot.


Interview No. 3:  Transcript:

KTOK interview - 01/15/98:

ERNEST ISTOOK:  (Congressman from Oklahoma):  Garbage!

JERRY BOHNEN: (News Director,  KTOK  Radio  AM  1000):  Good
evening. It's what  Congressman  Ernest  Istook  said  today
about the latest Oklahoma  City  bombing  story  from  State
Representative Charles Key and his investigation. He  denies
the claims of two reserve sheriff's deputies.  The  two  say
they were told two  years  ago  by  Congressman  Istook  the
government knew of the  bomb  threats  against  the  federal
building.    Deputy    David    Kulkendorfer    <sp>    says
Representative Istook told him the night of the bombing,  as
the two stood in front of the Murrah Building:

DAVID KULKENDORFER  <sp?>  (Reserve  Sheriff's  Deputy):  He
said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen," and then  he
started to elaborate. He said that their  sources,  I  can't
remember the exact terminology, but it  was  their  sources,
were aware of a Muslim fundamentalist  right-wing  group  in
Oklahoma City, and  that  they  were  to  bomb  the  federal

BOHNEN:  Another  reserve  deputy,  Don  Hammonds,  escorted
attorney Lana Tyree who reportedly came  to  the  site  with
Istook. She was snapping pictures.

DON HAMMONDS <sp?>  (Reserve  Sheriff's  Deputy):  She  just
was saying that Istook said that they were aware of  a  bomb
threat since April 9th, and the reason I remember April  9th
so well is because right away I went,  you  know,  the  19th
and 9th, and there was a ten-day gap, and you  can  remember
that ten days so easy. And I thought,  "Man,  they  had  ten
days' prior knowledge of this."

BOHNEN: The two reserve officers say  they've  been  haunted
for two years  about  what  they  heard  the  night  of  the
bombing. They recently met with  investigators  for  Charles
Key  and  told  their  story.  As  for  the  Oklahoma   City
attorney, Tyree, she says it is absurd.  She  tells  me  she
didn't tell any deputy Istook had told her of an  April  9th
bomb threat to the building.
LANA TYREE <sp?> (Attorney): Well, the deputy is  apparently
confused. The facts that he stated are not correct.

BOHNEN:  She  had   credentials   to   be   an   independent
photographer for law officers and rescuers, but says no  one
ever told her the government had any warning of the  attack.
She says the two deputies are confused.


Interview No. 4:

JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM  1000):  Garbage!
It's what Congressman Ernest Istook is  saying  today  about
some   of   the   investigation   revelations    by    State
Representative Charles Key into the Oklahoma  City  bombing.
First a report from KTOK's Kim Edwards about the  claims  of
Representative Key.

KIM EDWARDS (KTOK  News  Reporter):  In  an  afternoon  news
conference set in the shadow of the Survivor  Tree,  Charles
Key praised two witnesses that are willing to  testify  U.S.
Representative Ernest Istook  had  prior  knowledge  of  the
Oklahoma City bombing.

CHARLES KEY  (State  Representative):  These  men  are  very
courageous, they're telling just the truth, just  what  they
know, and we think that people  deserve  to  know  what  the
truth is.

EDWARDS:  The  witnesses   are   Oklahoma   County   Reserve
Deputies, David Kortzendorfer <sp?> and Don Hammonds  <sp?>.
They were both on duty at the Murrah Building the  night  of
April 19th after the bombing  occurred.  Kortzendorfer  says
Istook told him point-blank, quote, "We knew this was  going
to  happen.  We  blew  it."  Hammonds  says  he  talked   to
Attorney Lana Tyree <sp?>. She told him Istook was aware  of
a bomb threat since April the 9th. Ernest Istook denies  the
allegations, as does Tyree. I'm Kim Edwards, KTOK News.

BOHNEN: Indeed, Congressman  Istook  calls  the  allegations
"garbage,"  and  KTOK's  Bill  Bateman  reports   from   the
Congressman's offices.

BILL  BATEMAN  (KTOK  News  Reporter):  Congressman   Ernest
Istook says Representative Charles Key has hurt  his  caused
by making  irresponsible  and  erroneous  statements  today.
He's referring to a news conference earlier in  the  day  in
which Key claimed Istook said there was prior  knowledge  of
the Oklahoma City bombing. Istook says he's not part of  any
conspiracy of  silence  about  the  bombing.  He  says  he's
insulted by today's remarks. Istook says he's  been  friends
with Charles Key for years, and all Key would  have  had  to
have done is pick up the phone in  the  last  two-and-a-half
years and ask him if there  was  any  advanced  warning.  He
says that never happened. At  Congressman  Istook's  office,
I'm Bill Bateman, KTOK News.

BOHNEN:  And  attorney  Lana  Tyree  <sp?>  makes  the  same
claims, denying she  ever  had  any  information  about  the
prior knowledge and that bomb threats were made  before  the
bombing. Two reserve deputies again say Tyree  told  one  of
them the night of the bombing that  Istook  had  said  there
had been a bomb threat ten days earlier.

LANA TYREE (Attorney):  Nobody,  any  time,  anywhere,  ever
related to me any knowledge  of  any  bomb  threats  at  any

BOHNEN: And  she  says  the  deputies  are  confused.  Tyree
<sp?>  says  she  was  an   independent   photographer   and
credentialed  for  the  bomb  site  and   was   there   when
Representative  Istook  arrived.  The  deputies  said  Tyree
arrived with Istook. But Tyree says  she  only  took  a  few
pictures for the Congressman.

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