Transcript of the Press Conference held at 1:30 p. m. cst today by State Rep. Charles Key 01/15/98
01/15/98 - This is the transcript of the press
held at 1:30 p. m. cst today by State Rep. Charles Key,
revealing new evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing --
foreknowledge on the part of Congressman Ernest Istook, and
the involvement of a sect of Muslim fundamentalists
operating in Oklahoma City.
The conference was carried live on KTOK Radio AM 1000 in
Oklahoma City. Please pardon any typos. This transcript was
prepared in a great hurry. -- Michele
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director KTOK Radio): ...information he
says there was prior knowledge about the bombing. Live now,
here's KTOK's Kim Edwards.
KIM EDWARDS (KTOK Reporter): Jerry, a throng of national
and local media have gathered around the Survivor Tree in
downtown Oklahoma City, prepari ng to hear what testimony
Representative Charles Key is prepared to offer. Right now,
Glenn Wilburn's widow is at the podium, and she is speaking
t o the press about her experiences with the grand jury
investigation that is looking into the possibility that the
government had prior knowledge of t he April 19th, 1995
bombing. After she is done speaking, Representative Charles
Key will come up to the podium and he will release what he
says i s new damaging evidence that the government did
know, prior to April 19th, that a bomb was going to go off
at the Murrah Building here in downtown Oklahoma City.
Again, right now, Kathy Wilburn, Glenn Wilburn's widow, w
ho was... Glenn Wilburn was crucial in getting this grand
jury started. She is now at the podium speaking. Jerry,
back to you.
BOHNEN: Okay, Kim. Now, based on information and such from
the Key investigation and their committee, I've spoken with
the two witnesses tha t they brought on hand... I
understand, at least, are to be on hand for th e
announcement today -- a couple of Oklahoma County Reserve
Sheriff's Deputies. They have a story to tell about what
was told them the night o f the bombing, statements made by
at least an Oklahoma Congressman and an individual who was
accompanying the Congressman to the scene of the Murra h
Building -- indications of prior knowledge about the
bombing and perhaps an indication of at least a bomb threat
that had been made some ten days before the April 19th,
1995 bombing. And again, this information being gathered by
State Representative Charles Key. Kim, let's listen to who
i s speaking at this point now.
EDWARDS: Right now, Kathy Wilburn is still on the stand...
or still at t he podium and then Representative Charles Key
is standing behind her with a crowd of other people
associated with the bombing investigation. Several of his
investigators are there with him. And there are
representatives from virtually all of the local media
outlets as well as CNN and the Fox News Channel. A crowd of
spectators has come away from the fence now and is also
gathering around listening to what Kathy Wilburn has to
say. Again, you talked about the deputies that say they
have new information a nd they are there with Charles Key
as well. I'm having some problems hearin g you, Jerry, and
I'm going to toss back to you for just a moment while I f
ix my audio problems at this end. And again, Kathy Wilburn
is still speakin g at the podium as we speak.
BOHNEN: Okay. While Kim clarifies that... The two deputies
apparently were on guard duty the night of the bombing.
I've interviewed them last night and the interview was
embargoed until now while they are preparing the news
conference. And what their story is is that one of them was
on guard duty in front of the Water Resources Board when an
Oklahoma Congressman approached them and happened to be
talking about what happened... you know, earlier in the
day, and the Congressman said, "Yeah we knew this was going
to happen. We blew it." There was apparently som e
right-wing, fundamentalist Muslim sect in Oklahoma City and
the Sheriff's deputy made the comment, "I beg your pardon?
What did you say?" "Yeah, w e knew it was going to happen.
We blew it." And at the same time, another
reserve deputy was escorting one of the Congressman's aides
around and at that point the aide told the reserve deputy
that, "Yeah, Congressman indicated that there had been an
April 9th bomb threat made to the federa l building."
Apparently no documentations can verify or support the
claims but certainly these are two long-time members of the
Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve who tell me that they've
been haunted for the past two-and-a-half years by what they
knew, that they said they've talked freely about it with
other Oklahoma County Sheriff's deputies, indicating that
whenever they would see news media coverage of the
government denyin g any prior knowledge, they would almost
laugh about it and say, "Well, we know of at least one
individual who had supposed prior knowledge." Let's see if
KTOK's Kim Edwards has his monitoring problem rectified.
EDWARDS: Yes, I do, Jerry, and you're exactly right. The
deputies do sa y that they were haunted by this, knowing
that at least one government official claims he knew that
this was going to happen, and then that's wh y they finally
decided to come forward. And apparently they will talk toda
y and hopefully answer questions about why they waited and
what exactly the y heard from Representative Ernest Istook
on the night of April 19th. Agai n, Representative Istook
apparently -- or according to Oklahoma County Reser ve
Deputies -- said that he knew this was going to happen and
talked about a bomb threat that had been called in on April
the 9th and also claimed to have knowledge of a right-wing,
fundamentalist Muslim group working in Oklahoma City. What
we can tell you right now: at the podium, Kathy Wilburn,
the widow of Glenn Wilburn, who was instrumental in getting
the Oklahoma County grand jury to investigate prior
knowledge of the bombing.
She is talking to reporters and others that have gathered
here at the bom b site about her experiences since the day
of April 18th. She is joined by Representative Charles Key
who is about to step forward to the podium. An d let's go
now live to the podium to cover the comments made by
Representative Charles Key.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): No one of us, and no
one, would have ever wanted anything to have happened that
happened here two-and-a-half years ago or the ordeal that
we've gone through to simply find the truth.
As we've seen with the deadlocked jury recently in Denver,
it's obvious that there is much more to this case than what
some in the government wan t us to know about. But the
government refuses to admit that there were other murders
and we know that there were.
Why do they refuse to admit that and why do they refuse to
continue to lo ok for them? Why has it been so difficult to
get answers to the questions? Why have we been fought every
step of the way in an unprecidented manner?
When Glenn and I and Kathy and Edye and many others began
this quest more than two years ago, we had a lot of
questions, and we've had a lot of tho se questions answered
since then. With these two witnesses coming forward today,
we hope that many more questions will begin to be answered.
In October, Don Hammonds sp? and David Kulkendorfer sp?
came to us...contacted my office, I should say. It took us
several weeks of playing phone tag before we could finally
make contact. And just approximately s ix weeks ago we got
together, sat down, and talked to them and heard their
story -- the same story you're going to hear in just a few
minutes. Thes e men are very courageous. They're telling
just the truth, just what they know, and we think that
people deserve to know what the truth is. And th e grand
jury has had this information passed to them and they'll
hear this testimony and see their sworn affidavits in the
very near future. So I want to introduce right now to you
David and Don. They'll tell their stories. After they
finish, I'll come up and make a few comments, and th en
after that time, all of us will be glad to field any
questions. So I'll introduce to you David at this time.
DAVID KULKENDORFER sp? (Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve
Hello. Can you hear me okay? My name is David Kulkendorfer
sp? and I' m an insurance agent in Oklahoma City by
occupation. I'm also a reserve fo r the Oklahoma County
Sheriff's office, a reserve deputy, which is my publi c
service. And during the day of the bombing, I was on South
Shields headin g north to an appointment when I saw a plume
of smoke go up. I was at the intersection of S.E. 66th and
Shields. At that time, I knew something ba d happened. By
the black smoke, I thought possibly an oil tanker or
something exploded. And by the direction of the smoke, I
said, "That's right downtown and something is wrong.
They're going to need some help."
So I got on the phone and called my office and told them to
cancel my appointment, that I wasn't going to be in. I
said, "There is something going on in the city and I'm
going to check." I think that was my responsibility as a
When I got here... I got here about 9:30 and it was very
chaotic, obvious ly most of you know. So I just basically
started to help and tried to do wh at I could do to be of
assistance. I wound up down at the northwest corner of the
building, and I entered the building at that point and
worked my way through the building looking for survivors,
calling out to see if anybody could hear me. And I worked
my way along with an Oklahoma City police officer and an
FBI agent. We worked our way to the seventh floor. And a t
that time, we were heading west to east on the seventh
floor and a firema n came from the other direction and
said, "You don't need to go that way. I've already cleared
So we were in the hallway heading back to go down the
stairway, and on th e south side of the building we could
see people running, scattering. We kind of looked at each
other and said, "Well, what's going on?" And we heard, "A
bomb! There's another bomb! Get out of the building!" So we
immediately gathered ourselves and ran to the stairway and
started down t he stairs. And as we were going down the
stairs, this lady police officer, she stepped on some
debris and twisted her ankle so we basically had to carry
her the rest of the way. As we left the building, the FBI
agent picked up her up and carried her to the safe area.
Well, after the "all clear," I came back up and I said,
"Well, what I need to do is I need to get organized and get
in uniform." So I called my wife and told her, "Ca ll the
office. I'm not coming back today. Get my uniform. I'll
meet you at the Sheriff's Office." I met her at the
Sheriff's Office and changed clothes and came back and
pretty well just tried to do what I could do. We went into
the building continuing with the search and rescue. Well,
th at went on throughout the day.
Then that evening, when the rains came, we'd pretty well
backed off and w e went to our command post and got rain
gear, came back out after the rain.
And I was pretty well working the northwest corner when I
was approached by a U.S. Marshal and said, "We got the
building. The fire department turne d it over to us. This
is now a federal crime scene. We need to secure the area.
Nobody comes in except...." He said, "Keep all
non-essentials out 2E" I said, "What's non-essential?" And
he said, "The only ones to come in are the search and
rescue and law enforcement." I said, "Okay." So, basically
that was my responsibility from that point on, to keep
Well, later on, during the evening, a lot of public
officials started to show up. The mayor showed up with a
contingency, and the district attorne y, the governor, and
several dignitaries. I was standing approximately in front
of the Water Resources Building, to try to keep people out
and watching the search and rescue. As I looked to my left,
I could see Congressman Istook kind of working his way east
to west. Well, he worked his way up to me and he stopped to
my left and introduced himself and we kind of small-talked
a little bit about, "How's everything? It's a bad, bad, bad
deal." And he made the comment to me, he says, "Yeah, we
knew this was going to happen." And I said, "Excuse me?"
And he says, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen. We
got word throug h our sources that there is a radical
fundamental Islamic group in Oklahoma City and that they
were going to bomb the federal building."
And I didn't say anything because I really had nothing to
say. But a little bit of small talk later, he kind of
looked at me and said, "What department are you with?"
He came over in front of me, and at that time I had a
raincoat on and my campaign hat from the county. He looked
at the emblem on the campaign ha t.
And I said, "Well, I'm a deputy with the Oklahoma County
Sheriff's Office 2E"
And he said, "Oh! I thought you were with the Highway
Patrol," and immediately stopped talking and turned around
and walked away.
And really, the reason I haven't said anything to this
point... Don and I have talked about it every time we were
on duty, and I thought, "Since th e grand jury was in
session, I'm sure this informoation is going to come ou t.
It's got to. Because I'm sure if he made a comment to me,
other people know also."
And this last fair, when Don and I were working, we got to
discussing it again, and Don said, "Well, let me do this."
He said, "Let me call Representative Key anonymously and
tell him what we have to say, and if they want to hear us,
fine; if they don't, fine. But at least we'll know either
they know it or they don't." So he called Representative
Key and through telephone tag we finally made an
appointment and we basically sai d what we had to say. And
later, Representative Key called us back for another
appointment... another conference and said, "We need to
take this to another level." He said, "What you have to say
is very important." S o that's why we're here. And like I
said, that's all I know. I don't know the befores, the
afters, or the what fors. All I know is this is what wa s
said to me and that's what I'm repeating to you.
DON HAMMONDS: sp? (Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve
Deputy): My name is Don Hammonds and I'm a businessman and
I've also been a reserve deputy wi th Oklahoma County since
1992. And I'm just going to jump in right kind of where
Dave... where we were working together on the northwest
side. And our job was to also give people coming in, like
the mayor and stuff like that, hard hats and make sure they
had hard hats, and also not to let anybody take pictures.
I noticed a lady back behind me by a back hoe over there
I went up there and approached her and told her that, you
know, "You can' t take pictures here, ma'am." And she
identified herself as an attorney, Lanney... Lana Tyree
sp?, and she was with Ernest Istook. She said the y were
friends and she was an amateur photographer and that she
was taking pictures for Ernest Istook.
So I agreed to let her come on in, but I told her she had
to make sure sh e took pictures of... up, and no facial
shots of anybody because they were photo sensitive. So she
was... I was with her as she was taking pictures of the
building and stuff like that. And she made a comment to me
that Istook told her that they were aware of a bomb threat
since April 9th, an d that's all she said to me.
That's the kind of stuff that... after it all happened... I
mean, you didn't really think much about it until this
grand jury and stuff stated probing into it and people were
claiming that there wasn't any prior knowledge. I started
thinking about it and got with Dave, and we put two and two
together. I mean, hey! Somebody knew about a prior bomb
This ought to be known. And you know, I was given a date --
April 9th -- that they knew about it, ten days before. And
So we feel like, you know, it's only fair that everyone
knows the truth that there is... you know, what's going on
and who else knows about this.
CHARLES KEY: Again, we'll take questions here in just a
moment, but I guess some final thoughts are that we've had
a lot of information. It's been a long process that we've
been through, and it's probably still got a long ways to
go. We've had a lot of people contact us with information,
and I'm sure, and I understand the county grand jury, now
that the two trials are over, they've had a lot of
information come forward. And I ca n say to you that there
will be more very significant, dynamic information like
this come forward in the future. This is just the first of
some maj or revelations that prove what Glenn Wilburn said
quite a number of months ago, and that he was right -- that
there was significant prior knowledge.
And there are those that know that.
And I want to take this time to call again on people that
do know information to come forward, take it to the grand
jury. You can get it t o our organization if you'd like.
Because the truth needs to be told. It deserves to be told.
And many people may be implicated because of their silence
and their lack of action in regard to this. The people of
this State and of this city and of this country deserve to
know the truth.
There is no reason why you can't just lay all of the facts
and the truth out about this case or any other case and let
justice find its way throug h what the truth and what the
facts are. And that's all we want. That's a ll most people
want. And I can't think of any reason why that can't be
done in this case.
Again, we've had so much trouble. We've been fought in an
unprecidented way, at every turn and every step.
JERRY BOHNEN: You've been listening to a live coverage on
KTOK -- a news conference held by State Representative
Charles Key revealing the testimo ny or the claims of two
Oklahoma County Reserve Deputy Sheriffs, that Congressman
Ernest Istook told them the night of the bombing, "We knew
th is was going to happen, we blew it." So far, no comment
from Congressman Ernest Istook, but we'll have him. He'll
be joining us live at 4:15 p.m. on the KTOK Afternoon
Report. We're eleven minutes away from two o'clock 2E Live
from the KTOK News Center, I'm Jerry Bohnen.
[END OF PRESS CONFERENCE COVERAGE]
Transcript - 01/15/98 - KTOK Radio, Oklahoma
Key Responds to Congressman Ernest Istook:
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): State
Representative Charles Key made another advancement in his
bombing investigation today, presenting two reserve county
sheriff's deputies who claim they were told the night of
the bombing by Congressman Ernest Istook the government
knew of the coming attack. Representative Key, the
Congressman denies it, cal ls it garbage, and so does
attorney Lana Tyree sp? who was also named in t he claims
of the deputies. Any reaction about that?
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): Well, I guess on the
one hand it is to be expected. It's unfortunate that this
had to happen like this, but it' s C9 the fact is, these
two gentlemen - and I have to emphasize the word
"gentlemen," very credible individuals - came forward and
they had sworn affidavits. They are willing to go before
the grand jury. They have nothing to gain and everything to
lose by doing this. And their statemen ts are as true, I
believe, as they say they are, word for word.
BOHNEN: I talked to Lana Tyree sp? and to the
Congressman. Both believeC9 I think Lana Tyree more than
the Congressman perhapsC9 that t he deputies are simply
confused about what they heard and the order of how they
heard it and things like that.
KEY: Well, I've heard some of the responses on some of the
media account s so far, and what's always interesting to me
is when you have Congressman Istook or others who have
responded to things like this, that they like t o say time
affects their memory and they are misunderstanding now. You
kno w, it always is a one-way street. Their memory is
affected, but Congressman Istook's is not. When he says
things like I've had these people make fal se statements,
that's absolutely ludicrous. These people came to us. We we
re very careful in how we handled their testimony. So, you
know, it's alway s a one-way street on these kind of deals.
And these guys are willing to take polygraphs. They're
willing to go before the grand jury. And they, like I, have
a whole lot to lose because of this and not much to gain.
BOHNEN: But let me clarify something. I mean, you didn't
contact the Congressman to find out, correct?
KEY: That's correct.
BOHNEN: Did you talk to Lana Tyree?
KEY: No, I didn't.
BOHNEN: Why not?
KEY: Well, frankly, after everything that we'veC9 I think
the best way to understand and answer that is for people to
understand everything that we've been through. We've been
viciously and personally attacked from th e very beginning,
and misrepresented in many cases along the way. And I
didn't expect to have the kind of response that you would
want to have. I think the responseC9 What I mean by that is
I would expect somebody like the Congressman or Lana Tyree
on the one hand to possibly deny this. The y had their
opportunity to say what they believe was the truth, or what
the y want to represent as being the truth, and I think it
just needs to be lef t there and let the grand jury look at
BOHNEN: In other wordsC9 I have a question then about your
role and th e investigators and such and what you're trying
to do. I mean, should ther e be some quality control over
what you're finding and what you're trying t o present to
the grand jury? Do you feel maybe you shouldn't have to
actually investigate and verify or give more credence to
the claims of so me of the people who are coming to you
with their stories?
KEY: Well, the bottom line, Jerry, is that there is quality
control, and we have gone very thoroughly over what these
people and everything else that we've done. Quality control
in my opinion would not include going t o the Congressman,
as in this case, or the attorney Lana Tyree, and if they
would have responded and said, "No, we didn't make those
statements," the n we don't bring it before the grand jury.
On the contrary, I think it goe s before the grand jury
anyway. That's the proper way to do it.
BOHNEN: And the Governor today making a statement as well
that he thinks you're flirting with legislative censuring.
KEY: Well, the Governor makes a lot of statements without
thinking. The Governor has said a lot of things about this
bombing case that will come back to haunt him. And he needs
to show a little restraint about what he says in these
kinds of situations because there's a lot of evidence out
there that is going to continue to prove and back up the
fact that there was prior knowledge. You know, you have
about 500 people who are victims family members and
survivors of the bombing, who have signed on and have the
opinion that there was sufficient prior knowledge on the
government's part, or they should have had sufficient prior
knowledge because of the information they had. That is a
huge amount of people, compared to those that are
represented by the Governor and others from time to time as
being survivors and family members that are on the opposite
side of the fence on this issue. There is a huge
discrepancy, but it's on the favor of those that say there
are serious problems with the government's case, and
they'll continue to back up their side of the story.
BOHNEN: Final note here. You're not finished with all of
this. You say you're going to have some more very dramatic
or serious revelations in the coming weeks?
KEY: Yes, there will be more like this, and some might
even say they're more dynamic than this revelation today.
And the information that we know about continues to
convince us even more than we've ever been convinced before
that this is a significant cover-up of prior knowledge of
a sting operation that went wrong and there's a lot of
people covering their hind-sides to keep that from coming
out, but it is coming out.
BOHNEN: Representative Charles Key, thank you for your
KEY: Thank you.
BOHNEN: We're at twenty minutes past five on the KTOK
[END OF INTERVIEW]
Four Transcripts: Istook Responds to Charles Key's Press Conference
Interview No. 1: Transcript:
KTOK interview - 01/15/98 - Congressman Ernest Istook
responds to the revelations of Charles Key's press
conference. Transcript begins shortly after the start of
the interview (sorry about that):
ERNEST ISTOOK (U.S. Representative from Oklahoma): To
publicize such false and outrageous claims that are just a
bunch of garbage.
JERRY BOHNEN (New Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): But did
you talk with a ny deputies that night? Do you recall
ISTOOK: I talked with lots of people, just like all of us
did. All of us were talking aboutC9 among ourselves,
talking about, you know, what's going on. The news media,
KTOK, as I say, in particular, was broadcasting stories
about the possibility that this might be a spread of Arab
terrorism. So frankly, Jerry, you were one of the ones that
were working on stories and the fact that people were
talking about those stories is not the same as claiming now
that people were saying they had advanced knowledge of the
bombing of the Murrah Building. I certainly didn't. I know
of nobody in government that had any advanced knowledge.
The only people that I know who had advanced knowledge of
the Murrah Building bombing were Terry Nichols and Timothy
McVeigh, the people who have been convicted of their
involvement. If there's more people, then let's let the
grand jury and District Attorney Bob Macy get to the bottom
of it, and let's do what I'm doing. Every time there's any
way that I can cooperate with any sort of investigation
that relates to this, I'm doing it. But you don't do it by
just jumping on rumor mills and trying to publicize rumors
rather than cooperating with law enforcement.
BOHNEN: In this case, I've talked to Lana Tyree sp?, the
attorney that one reserve deputy says he had a brief
conversation with her, and he felt that she came on into
the bomb site with you, but Ms. Tyree says no, she was
there independently as a photographer and that she was
there already before you arrived.
ISTOOK: Well, that's correct. She was there also that
evening. There was, as you know, hundreds of people on the
scene that evening. And I think you can tell your listeners
what I know Ms. Tyree has told you, that I never made any
such claim that they are now trying to say that, well, she
said that Istook said such-and-such, and she said no such
thing. I'll tell you, Jerry, there's some people that are
just trying to build rumor upon rumor, inuendo upon
inuendo, and it's hurting. It's draining the resources that
need to go into the investigation of the prosecution of the
people that were actually involved, rather than taking up
the time of investigators chasing down false statements
such as were publicized today I really take insult that
these false statements were made about me today
BOHNEN: Representative Istook, I appreciate the time.
Thank you very much, sir.
ISTOOK: Thank you, Jerry.
Interview No. 2:
Transcript: KTOK interview -- 01/15/98 - Response of
Congressman Ernest Istook, Attorney Lana Tyree, and
Governor Frank Keating to the revelations of Charles Key's
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Good
afternoon. Another step in the investigation of the bombing
by State Representative Charles Key.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): With these two
witnesses coming forward today, we hope that many more
questions will begin to be answered.
BOHNEN: This, at an afternoon news conference to announce
the testimony of two reserve deputies from Oklahoma who
claim an Oklahoma Congressman had prior knowledge of the
Murrah Bombing. The county reserve deputies claim Oklahoma
Congressman Ernest Istook revealed the night of the
Oklahoma City bombing the government had been warned about
the possible attack. Reserve Deputy David Kulkendorfer
sp? recalls standing on guard duty in front of the Murrah
Building and talking with the Congressman, and he says
apparently another Reserve Deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted
attorney Lana Tyree sp? who came to the bomb site with
the Congressman as well. Both men stepped forward recently
and told their story to State Representative Charles Key
who heads the investigation of the bombing. Both Istook and
Tyree deny it, and Tyree is the attorney who spent time as
an Oklahoma City bombing site photographer. She says the
two reserve deputies are confused in believing she had
information about threats before the buiding was bombed.
The deputies say Tyree was at the site the night of the
bombing and accompanied Istook. She says, no, but snapped
some pictures of him with rescuers.
LANA TYREE (Attorney): Congressman Istook told me that he
appreciated it. I said, "How are things going?" He said,
"Fine." We just basically small-talked for a moment and
that was it.
BOHNEN: But one deputy claims Tyree told him Istook had
said there had been a bomb threat ten days before the
bombing. Tyree says this story is absurd. Key's repeated
statements suggesting the government might have been tipped
off to the bombing could be getting him close to a
legislative censure - so suggests Governor Frank Keating
today, who says he can't understand why Representative Key
continues to suggest the government knowingly allowed the
bombing to happen.
FRANK KEATING (Governor of Oklahoma): It's bizarre and
absurd, and completely contrary to human nature.
BOHNEN: And the governor praises Key's efforts, though, to
identify others involved in the bombing plot.
Interview No. 3: Transcript:
KTOK interview - 01/15/98:
ERNEST ISTOOK: (Congressman from Oklahoma): Garbage!
JERRY BOHNEN: (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Good
evening. It's what Congressman Ernest Istook said today
about the latest Oklahoma City bombing story from State
Representative Charles Key and his investigation. He denies
the claims of two reserve sheriff's deputies. The two say
they were told two years ago by Congressman Istook the
government knew of the bomb threats against the federal
building. Deputy David Kulkendorfer sp says
Representative Istook told him the night of the bombing, as
the two stood in front of the Murrah Building:
DAVID KULKENDORFER sp? (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy): He
said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen," and then he
started to elaborate. He said that their sources, I can't
remember the exact terminology, but it was their sources,
were aware of a Muslim fundamentalist right-wing group in
Oklahoma City, and that they were to bomb the federal
BOHNEN: Another reserve deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted
attorney Lana Tyree who reportedly came to the site with
Istook. She was snapping pictures.
DON HAMMONDS sp? (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy): She just
was saying that Istook said that they were aware of a bomb
threat since April 9th, and the reason I remember April 9th
so well is because right away I went, you know, the 19th
and 9th, and there was a ten-day gap, and you can remember
that ten days so easy. And I thought, "Man, they had ten
days' prior knowledge of this."
BOHNEN: The two reserve officers say they've been haunted
for two years about what they heard the night of the
bombing. They recently met with investigators for Charles
Key and told their story. As for the Oklahoma City
attorney, Tyree, she says it is absurd. She tells me she
didn't tell any deputy Istook had told her of an April 9th
bomb threat to the building.
LANA TYREE sp? (Attorney): Well, the deputy is apparently
confused. The facts that he stated are not correct.
BOHNEN: She had credentials to be an independent
photographer for law officers and rescuers, but says no one
ever told her the government had any warning of the attack.
She says the two deputies are confused.
Interview No. 4:
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Garbage!
It's what Congressman Ernest Istook is saying today about
some of the investigation revelations by State
Representative Charles Key into the Oklahoma City bombing.
First a report from KTOK's Kim Edwards about the claims of
KIM EDWARDS (KTOK News Reporter): In an afternoon news
conference set in the shadow of the Survivor Tree, Charles
Key praised two witnesses that are willing to testify U.S.
Representative Ernest Istook had prior knowledge of the
Oklahoma City bombing.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): These men are very
courageous, they're telling just the truth, just what they
know, and we think that people deserve to know what the
EDWARDS: The witnesses are Oklahoma County Reserve
Deputies, David Kortzendorfer sp? and Don Hammonds sp?.
They were both on duty at the Murrah Building the night of
April 19th after the bombing occurred. Kortzendorfer says
Istook told him point-blank, quote, "We knew this was going
to happen. We blew it." Hammonds says he talked to
Attorney Lana Tyree sp?. She told him Istook was aware of
a bomb threat since April the 9th. Ernest Istook denies the
allegations, as does Tyree. I'm Kim Edwards, KTOK News.
BOHNEN: Indeed, Congressman Istook calls the allegations
"garbage," and KTOK's Bill Bateman reports from the
BILL BATEMAN (KTOK News Reporter): Congressman Ernest
Istook says Representative Charles Key has hurt his caused
by making irresponsible and erroneous statements today.
He's referring to a news conference earlier in the day in
which Key claimed Istook said there was prior knowledge of
the Oklahoma City bombing. Istook says he's not part of any
conspiracy of silence about the bombing. He says he's
insulted by today's remarks. Istook says he's been friends
with Charles Key for years, and all Key would have had to
have done is pick up the phone in the last two-and-a-half
years and ask him if there was any advanced warning. He
says that never happened. At Congressman Istook's office,
I'm Bill Bateman, KTOK News.
BOHNEN: And attorney Lana Tyree sp? makes the same
claims, denying she ever had any information about the
prior knowledge and that bomb threats were made before the
bombing. Two reserve deputies again say Tyree told one of
them the night of the bombing that Istook had said there
had been a bomb threat ten days earlier.
LANA TYREE (Attorney): Nobody, any time, anywhere, ever
related to me any knowledge of any bomb threats at any
BOHNEN: And she says the deputies are confused. Tyree
sp? says she was an independent photographer and
credentialed for the bomb site and was there when
Representative Istook arrived. The deputies said Tyree
arrived with Istook. But Tyree says she only took a few
pictures for the Congressman.
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