Vince Foster's death: An FBI cover-up?


    Vince Foster's death: An FBI cover-up?
    Independent researcher discusses investigations, current legal action
    By Zoh Hieronimus

    The death of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent
    Foster, although over seven years past, continues to
    generate heated controversy. The sheer number of
    websites and published articles on the subject testify
    to the belief of many that foul play may have been
    involved. Researcher Hugh Turley recently
    co-authored a book with crime-scene witness Patrick
    Knowlton and his attorney, John Clarke, entitled
    "Failure of the Public Trust." The book presents
    documented evidence supporting the trio's belief in
    an FBI cover-up surrounding Foster's death.

    Zoh Hieronimus interviewed Turley on her syndicated
    radio show. The Zoh Show can be heard weekdays
    from 12 to 3 p.m. Eastern time.

    Question: Why have you, Patrick Knowlton and John
    Clarke all stayed the course when so many think that the
    truth about Vincent Foster's death will never be told?

    Answer: It is being told and it's important because what
    we are really fighting for is pretty simple -- honest
    government. I think that is something we all deserve and
    we can all seek and share -- whether we are Republicans
    or Democrats. That's what the battle is all about.

    It centers around Patrick Knowlton because he is the key
    witness in the case. He was at Fort Marcy Park the day
    that Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster's body
    was found and he witnessed the fact that Mr. Foster's car
    was not at the park. Officially, we have been told that he
    drove there and committed suicide. But the facts don't
    support that when you look at the evidence and we've
    compiled a lot of it at our website, There are a lot of documents
    there that we filed in court.

    Q: Do you have any new information?

    A: Recently, we've gotten a lot of new documents from
    the government through a Freedom Of Information Act
    suit by Accuracy In The Media. John Clarke was
    representing them in this suit. We've attained about 1,400
    more pages of documents from the government. Many of
    them are redacted but a lot of them aren't. Information
    continues to trickle out. We're just going to keep putting
    it up at our website and publishing it and sharing it with
    the American people.

    Q: Could you give us a quick summary of the highlights
    of what your team found versus what the Fiske and the
    Starr reports contain?

    A: We've been told incorrectly by the American press
    and our officials that there have been numerous
    investigations of Foster's death when, in reality, every
    investigation that has been done was conducted by the
    FBI. The initial Park Police investigation was a joint
    investigation with the FBI; the FBI reinvestigated with
    Mr. Fiske and again with Mr. Starr. The Senate did hold
    some hearings but they limited their inquiry into the Park
    Police investigation and not the death investigation itself.

    Also, there were a lot of problems with forensic evidence
    of the case. Witnesses at the scene saw a wound in Mr.
    Foster's neck. Starr, in his report, said that the crime
    scene photographs don't support this. Unfortunately,
    there's evidence that the crime-scene photographs
    disappeared, especially the important initial ones that
    were taken by the first police officer at the scene. Mr.
    Foster could not have fired the gun. The evidence shows
    that the gunpowder in his hands doesn't support the fact
    that he could have held the gun and pulled the trigger at
    the same time. None of the 26 witnesses who were at the
    scene saw the official entrance or exit wounds in Mr.
    Foster's body that we've been told are there. There was
    tampering with the body at the crime scene. People
    moved the body to conceal the neck wound -- and they
    also replaced an automatic pistol in Mr. Foster's hand
    with a black revolver which, by the way, has never been
    identified by any member of the family as being Mr.
    Foster's. Some of them have changed their stories over
    the years; by and large, it's been an unidentifiable gun.
    And there's been obstruction of justice in the case,
    primarily around witness Patrick Knowlton.

    Q: Would you explain what happened to Patrick?

    A: Patrick Knowlton is a key witness in the case. He
    came forward to tell what he saw. The FBI interviewed
    him. They falsified their reports of what he saw and,
    when he complained, he was subpoenaed by
    [Independent Counsel] Kenneth Starr to testify before
    the White Water grand jury. At that point, Mr. Knowlton
    suffered witness intimidation on the streets of
    Washington, D.C., and the FBI participated in that
    witness intimidation. We have proof of that. That's what
    our case is about. I am disappointed that in this election
    season, none of our government officials seem to be
    concerned with grand jury witness intimidation. There are
    a lot of popular issues that are proven to be good for
    popular debate but this one seems to be off-limits.

    Q: Share with us the recent court actions you, Patrick
    Knowlton and John Clarke are a part of and why they
    are so important.

    A: It's really important because it's going to determine
    whether or not our government functions as it was
    intended to by the Founding Fathers. We've had a failure
    at the executive branch level with Mr. Starr, who used
    the FBI to reinvestigate the FBI several times. The
    legislative branch has failed the American people because
    the congressional oversight of the crime failed to look into

    Very significant is the failure of our press. Our press has
    failed to tell the public the facts of the case and that's a
    serious breakdown. Although they are not elected, they
    certainly play an important role in keeping the public
    informed on this issue.

    Q: How many legal procedures has Patrick been
    through? This is his last appeal, isn't it, before he would
    petition the Supreme Court?

    A: Yes, it is. It started with a case filed in 1996 due to
    the violation of Patrick's civil rights. When he was
    subpoenaed, he was intimidated, and that's against the
    law. It's part of a larger conspiracy that we've alleged to
    conceal the truth about Mr. Foster's death. The civil case
    has been thrown out time and again. On July 27, we filed
    what's called En Banc, that is, we have taken it to the
    United States Court of Appeals and given all of the
    documents and all of the evidence -- there's well over a
    1,000 pages -- to all 15 judges on the Court of Appeals
    here in Washington, D.C.

    Q: What is their task?

    A: We've asked all of them to review this evidence and
    to give us a hearing. You see, Patrick hasn't had a
    hearing yet. Every time they've been before a court, it's
    been thrown out for failure to prove a meeting of the
    mind, that is, that these conspirators got together and
    plotted this event. It's possible to do when we have a
    hearing. There's been no discovery; there's been no
    public hearing in court allowed. I'm not a lawyer; I'm just
    a layman. I've been following the case. All we need is
    one judge, just one of the 15 to tell Patrick and John that
    they can have a hearing. And, if that fails, then we'll go on
    to the Supreme Court.

    Q: You're saying that the reason the courts have denied
    Patrick the right to have a hearing is that Patrick, even
    without a hearing, is supposed to be able to prove that
    there was a conspiracy, a meeting of the minds. How can
    you prove that if you don't have a hearing and the power
    to do depositions?

    A: That's the point. That's what we are fighting for, to
    have a chance to get the facts out. We haven't had that
    opportunity yet. It doesn't stop us from trying and I am
    not discouraged. I remember the case of Alfred Dreyfus
    in France went on for 13 years before an innocent man
    was set free. When I jumped into this, the evidence was
    so clear, so obvious that Mr. Foster didn't kill himself, I
    thought it would come out immediately. Three or four
    years into it, I realized it could be longer. The process
    has dragged on. But we are very confident that we have
    the truth on our side and, when you know the facts and
    you can back up every bit of evidence, there is no reason
    for us to stop. If these judges don't want to go with it,
    we'll go to the Supreme Court. And we'll go beyond that.
    We are not going to stop because we have the truth.

    Q: You told me that you have found more confirmation
    that what really took place at the crime scene is not at all
    what is reported in the federal government's reports.

    A: There are thousands of facts in the case. One of them
    is that Mr. Foster's car was not there that night his body
    was found. We found lots of evidence of that, which is on
    our website. But some of the things are not on the
    website. For example, Park Police Officer E.J. Smith,
    who was responsible for processing the car and the gun
    found at the scene that evening, we just recently learned
    was not even interviewed until 1995. That's remarkable
    in light of all the evidence that the car was not there. This
    person has been sort of out of the loop all these years
    and they never interviewed him.

    Also, a key fact in the case is that Mr. Foster had a bullet
    wound to his neck (versus the claims that he only had a
    mouth and exit wound behind the head). Now, officially,
    Mr. Starr and others have said that this [neck] wound
    does not exist, that the crime scene photographs prove it.
    Well, eyewitnesses saw it. A medical doctor at the scene
    documented it in his report, but Starr maintains that the
    photographs prove it wasn't there.

    Q: Tell us what you know about the photographs.

    A: The photographs disappeared. Starr argued that the
    photographs didn't disappear. He said, for example, that
    a certain Sgt. Edwards did not take photographs. We
    have a document from the FBI; it's called a victimology
    report. It states, and I'll quote, "Edwards took
    photographs." There's more evidence that Edwards took
    photographs in our book and on our website. The people
    saw him taking photographs; it's in their reports that they
    saw him taking photographs. But this recent document is
    just another example. There's literally thousands and
    thousands of official documents that prove the case. We
    haven't interviewed one witness or done any investigation
    on our own; we look at the official record. The official
    record itself proves that the FBI and the Office of the
    Independent Counsel under Kenneth Starr covered up
    the apparent murder of the Deputy White House

    I want to share one other thing that I learned about an
    hour ago. I stopped at the University of Maryland, went
    to the bookstore and I picked up a history book. They
    are now teaching history wrong at the University of

    Q: Give us the example of what you found.

    A: A book that's called "American Passages," which is
    used in a U.S. History course, states that Vincent Foster
    committed suicide. That is absolutely false. The book
    reads like propaganda. It says that anyone who disagrees
    is a Clinton-hater. I'm neither a Clinton-hater nor a
    supporter. I don't support Republican candidates too
    much either. I'm just looking for justice, an honest
    government. And, when our history books are wrong --
    and the book, by the way, costs $60 -- students are
    paying for propaganda and they borrow money to pay
    tuition. I don't recommend you study history at the
    University of Maryland.

    Q: What do you think are the five biggest discrepancies
    between the official report and what you all know to be
    true, based on the evidence that's been attached to the
    Office of Independent Counsel report, as required by the

    A: Some of the biggest discrepancies are attached to the
    Independent Counsel's report. People should order and
    read Mr. Starr's report because our 20 pages are tacked
    on. Some of the biggest issues are: Mr. Foster's car was
    not at the park; he had a bullet wound in his neck; the
    gun didn't belong to him. The FBI has been part of every
    investigation -- and that's pretty suspicious right there.
    They've only had one investigative agency involved over
    the seven years that it has been investigated. Technically,
    it's still under investigation because Robert Ray, the
    current Independent Counsel, is still in operation. This
    case is technically still open and going and that's one of
    the reasons that some of the comments have not been
    released to us, because they claim that it's still under

    Q: Is there an effort to close this as soon as the current
    administration comes to a close?

    A: I'm sure Ray's going to have to close shop at some
    point. He's been talking about trying to close up this fall,
    but that won't stop this case, because there is no statute
    of limitation on murder. And Mr. Knowlton was harassed
    and intimidated by the FBI. They did alter his testimony.
    They did try to get him to alter his. And we can prove it
    and continue to prove it.

    We encourage people to get out and check out some
    history themselves. We have plenty of documents at our
    website and everyone is invited to come and take a look.
    I'll answer any and all questions. I do public speaking.
    Any time anyone wants to discuss the facts, we'll defend
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