E-Mailed Letters To APFN & Great Links

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:28:35

The mainstream media are nothing but marionettes and I admire Mr.Swinton's honesty. We need more of that in this country. Truth is very important to me... anything else is a waste of time. Your site is very good.... very informative and I will read it from top to bottom. Thanks for the direction..

From: "Celeste" upskc@ptdprolog.net

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:44:00 PST

"Thomas T. Scambos, Jr." scambos@pop.erols.com wrote:

Help spread the word.

http://www.tax-freedom.com

Knowledge is Power! Are you Informed ? The Truth Will Set You Free !!!

Tom

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:29:30 -0800 (PST)

From: ICE ice@www.coolmedia.net

Five out of 535 ... OUCH! ICE From: clark@xld.com (XLD - Clark Simmons)

Greetings from: Clark, Still Free in Round Rock! http://xld.com Social and Freedom Issues The XLData Bookcase

The XLData Net has created a new web page that links to political candidates who have adopted a Constitutional stance. It is located at: http://xld.com/public/links/linksg.htm If anyone knows of others of this caliber, please bring them to my attention.

Regards,

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:43:27 -0800 (PST)

From: "kashmir" kashmir@ridgecrest.ca.us

This is a very informative site. Merl told me to check it out about a week ago and I still haven't explored all of it. I have gotten lost for a couple hours each time I've gone to it.

kashmir

From: MerlMoncer mmonce@ij.net

Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:50 PM http://www.fsu.edu/~crimdo/info.html

A must-see Sherry, if you don't already have it.

There are pages for Calif., Alaska. Alabama, Florida, Tenn., Arkansas, Minn., New York, Iowa, Ohio, NC, Penn., Seattle.

This is a very informative web page and also has info on Restorative Justice

PATRICK

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:57:01 PST

Hello! Hopefully, you will all be able to read this letter. It is notice that one very excellent web site is closing down. Prayerfully it will reopen somewhere else; there is a current mirror site. I recommend that everyone receiving this goes to this web site and start copying. The survival information at this site is superb, literally.

I have it currently linked from my home page. I'm going to now make it a point to make sure that I get many of the pages copied for my personal use. I don't know if I'll have enough room on my site to post it all, so I'm not going to say I will. But, I'll definitely post a few.

Go for it while you can get it! Maureen http://www.iinet.net.au/~standeyo/

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:28:27 -0800 (PST)

From: "Edward Britton (X'Y)" fremin@geocities.com

Subject: Re: APFN WEB PAGE

Kenneth:

Just checked out your page. It looks great (I liked the flags). Later, when I have the time, I'll look at everything and let you know in more detail. Keep up the good work. Edward "America: love it or change it."

"If you want to make someone nervous, help them. If you want to scare the hell out of them, need them." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/navstar.html

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:29:30 -0800 (PST)

---ICE ice@www.coolmedia.net wrote:

Five out of 535 ... OUCH! ICE

From: clark@xld.com (XLD - Clark Simmons)

Greetings from: Clark, Still Free in Round Rock! http://xld.com Social and Freedom Issues The XLData Bookcase

The XLData Net has created a new web page that links to political candidates who have adopted a Constitutional stance. It is located at: http://xld.com/public/links/linksg.htm If anyone knows of others of this caliber, please bring them to my attention.

Regards,

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:18:59 PST

The Relief Report

A newsletter covering regulatory reform efforts in Washington and across America, published by The National Center for Public Policy Research, 300 Eye St., NE #3, Washington, D C 20002, 202/543/1286, Fax 202/543/4779, E-mail ReliefReport@nationalcenter.org Web http://www.nationalcenter.org

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:47:01 -0800 (PST)

ALL GOOD APFN LINKS

Web sites galore! Enjoy! --DaveK--

R. Morgan's web site: http://members.aol.com/RMORGAN762/index.html

L. Neil Smiths Webley web site: http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/index.html

http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/index.html

Dave,

From: Recon35 Recon35@aol.com

Citizens Rule On The Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:26:32 PST

From: Maureen myfirst@tricor.net Organization: http://www.tricor.net/~myfirst

(above page is down as of May 8, 2000)

Subject: Shirley Ann Allen

Hello! I was just visiting your APFN site and came upon a letter I'd seen a couple days ago. The letter is regarding comments made by Norm Olson, and I don't remember who else at the moment.

I can't comment on the sorry state of affairs of the militia in various states and as a whole. Well, I guess I just did. But, I'll leave that for now. What I want to comment on is the portion regarding "setting up a siege". How asinine! With regards to Shirley Ann, she had support from the Patriotic Community which led to national and international scrutiny of her crisis situation that the militia can only wish they could be so lucky to receive.

Comparing the two is like comparing an egg to a cow. Shirley Ann is a 51 year old widow who was set upon by the Illinois Gestapo because she just wanted to be alone in her peaceful existence. I support my brave patriotic sisters and brothers who have chosen to be in militias. I personally don't have the guts to join one. If I had the guts I would start my own group. The bottom line is that there has been major infiltration into the various groups, with even some of the leaders being nothing other than NWO traitors who ultimately will cause those within their ranks to suffer for just having the guts to be members. It amazes me that folks can see all the signs regarding outsiders, but are so blind to those within.

I pray for the brave, the few, the honest militiamen/women! For God knows we truly are in desperate times. With the National Guard now also being posted around the globe, it is truly disheartening to feel that we will have no unified "American" force to protect us against the invasion that many feel is close at hand. Knowing how many other nations have felt the tramping of our boots in violence on their soil causes me to cringe just thinking of how those UN members of other nations will treat "us" here on our soil when they are given the opportunity.

Maureen

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:29:58

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Subject: [RightNow] URL/Excerpts/Commentary: The Injustice Line We saw a reference to this page in another list and when we visited the site, it appeared to be one that some of you might like to know about. The URL of the page we visited is: http://home.earthlink.net/~ynot/strouds.html#story4 The page features four stories, and begins as follows: "Health" is the latest government excuse for new atrocities to be visited upon every child and adult in America. Read the following stories and see what you think:

Eleven Year Olds Violated By Goals 2000 -- Literally Doctor-Patient Confidentiality Ended Nationwide By Stealth Legislation Six Year Old Suspended For Sharing Lemon Drops Government Inspectors Can Enter Your House At Any Time -- For Your Own Safety It was the final story that drew our attention to the page. The second to last paragraph reads as follows:

"Probable cause to search? That is only in the constitution. It has no bearing on the actions of government officials. A government official can walk into your house at any time, day or night, without notice, without regard to your wishes, your convenience, your plans, your desire for privacy. They need not first accuse you of anything, or even suspect you of anything in particular. Everyone is a suspect, so everyone's home gets searched. If you resist, you go to jail."

We would suggest that you take a moment to visit this page and read the article. It is very chilling to see how government officials no longer feel they need even nod in the general direction of the Constitution, they just do whatever they think is right. What is very sad is that many people will probably support their actions at first, thinking that only those who are somehow negligent in the upkeep of their homes have anything to worry about.

A personal note: We grew up in a small town that, due to its proxmity to one of the Great Lakes, seemed to attract people who liked to think of themselves as being among the upper class (or at least the upper middle class), even if they really weren't. What I am trying to say, in a nice way, is that the town had a lot of snobs, and unfortunately some of them managed to get themselves elected to positions in local government. In the late 50's, it was still possible to buy a piece of land and if you didn't have enough money to build a house, you could park a travel trailer on your property and live there until you saved up enough money to start to build. We knew a family (Mom, Dad, and two daughters) that lived in a travel trailer for about a year while Dad worked at a factory job long enough to save enough to lay a basement. They put in the basement and the subfloor, then put tarpaper over that and lived in the basement for perhaps another year or two while saving enough to build the house. Then after a couple years, they erected a two story house on top of the subfloor. The Dad did most of the work himself, including the plumbing, wiring, etc. They were Christian people (they hosted the neighborhood Vacation Bible School in the summer) and we suspect that they did not think much of the idea of borrowing money - our guess would be that they saved until they had enough to buy the materials, and then did all the work themselves, and as a result had a home debt-free within about four or five years, maybe less.

But as the "snobs" took over the area, they made sure that zoning ordinances were passed and that everything had to be done "just so." One change is that you can no longer live in a travel trailer or a basement, even though it is supposedly "your" land (at least as long as you pay the property taxes, and some federal government agency doesn't come along and decide that they need your land worse than you do). Now you have to have whatever the minimum is for a dwelling unit in that particular area fully erected before they will even give you a "certificate of occupancy", without which you are not even supposed to be inside the structure at night. The net effect is that most people without significant savings cannot build their own homes anymore. If you have very low income or are just starting out, you will probably either be forced into renting an apartment (which will make it nearly impossible to save up enough to buy a home in any reasonable timeframe), getting a loan to build or buy a home if you can (many young couples who are just starting out cannot, and even if you can you will probably wind up paying far more in interest than what the home is actually worth), or buying some sort of very substandard housing that you can afford (and just hope it won't be condemned). Or, you may wind up homeless. What strikes us as odd is that it seems the government would now prefer that people be "homeless" rather than giving them the opportunity to buy land and build what they can afford, a little at a time. Back in the 50's, when people built their own homes in this way, it was considered a virtue. Nowadays it seems that the "snobs" have little tolerance for anything that looks out of place - certainly a basement with a tarpaper roof would offend their sensibilities, and never mind that it's not their property and they should have no business telling anyone else how fast they have to get their house built, absent some actual safety risk for the neighborhood. Now, according to the article mentioned above, you could be imprisoned or fined if your refrigerator is too hot or cold, or if your house has bathroom odors (let's hope they don't visit the night you had bean cassarole). Our question is, is there ANYPLACE left in this country where people are still reasonably free, and where there is still at least some modicum of common sense among government officials and lawmakers? How far will Americans let themselves be pushed before they start pushing back? What happens if people become so frustrated that they resort to violence to display their disgust? What if they feel that things have gotten so bad that they have nothing left to lose, that being dead would be better than living in a country that pretends to have a Constitution that is the supreme law of the land, but that is treated like so much toilet paper by our elected officials, judges, and the various unelected bureaucrats that work for government agencies? We don't know if it will come to that (and we hope it doesn't), but free men seldom feel the need to resort to radical acts, while slaves will often do just about anything to escape the chains of their slavery. Heaven helps us if Americans start to feel that they are slaves of the government, and that the government masters can come into their homes and throw them in jail on the slightest whim. We absolutely do not advocate violence, but we fear that if enough people see it as the only way out of a situation that is only getting worse and worse, there will be more of it and a lot of innocent people will get hurt in the crossfire.

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:06:05 PST

Citizens Rule book on the Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html

Joe Sager wrote:

We now have a date for the hearing for Michael's appeal at the Army Court of Criminal Appeals. The hearing will commence on 28 May 1998 at 10:00 AM, in Falls Church, Virginia. The public is NOT invited. It's closed to just a few seats by invitation only. No cameras.

"I refused to tear...the American flag from my uniform and replace it with the United Nations flag -- even though I was told that I would be court-martialed" Michael New

THE MICHAEL NEW ACTION FUND P.O. Box 100 Iredell, Texas 76649 http://www.mikenew.com

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:47:08 -0800 (PST)

ICE ice@www.coolmedia.net wrote: Something light and refreshing. ICE Things We Can Learn From Dogs 1. Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joy ride. 2. Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure ecstasy. 3.When loved ones come home, always run to greet them. 4. When it's in your best interest, practice obedience. 5. Let others know when they have invaded your territory. 6. Take naps and stretch before rising. 7. Run, romp, and play daily. 8. Eat with gusto and enthusiasm. 9. Be loyal. 10. Never pretend to be something you're not. 11. If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it. 12. When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by, and nuzzle them gently. 13. Thrive on attention and let people touch you. 14. Avoid biting when a simple growl will do. 15. On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree. 16. When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body. 17. Delight in the simple joy of a long walk. 18. No matter how often you're scolded, dono't buy into the guilt thing and pout. Run right back and make friends.

Compliments of Nancy Troyer

Web sites galore! Enjoy! --DaveK--

R. Morgan's web site: http://members.aol.com/RMORGAN762/index.html

North American Militia web site:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/4805/

L. Neil Smiths Webley web site: http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/index.html

http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/index.html 

Dave,

Check out our web page: http://members.aol.com/RMORGAN762/index.html

Subject: APFN-You are what you eat!

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:39:42 PST

To: Ken Vardon

Dear Ken:
Anent March 26 e-mail regarding "Pattern of Child Crime Predictable" by Dougherty. An interesting article giving all the reasons for the child crime, except the right one. Since American food is the poorest quality of any
national diet in the world, about 80% of the foods in the markets is not fresh and the country lives on stale food, well, what else would you expect from those kids? Doesn't Jon Dougherty know the penalties of stale food and
the effects such food has on the personality? Add to that the fact that most of the food is unwholesome {few Americans know the meaning of that word}. Well, unwholesome food produces unwholesome people. This knowledge of unwholesome and stale food upon the personality has been known for 2,500 years. I will send you a few articles on this by mail so you can check it out for yourself.

Regards,

Harold N. Simpson

PS You'll have no recovery in this country until the food is improved. Yes, there is some truth to the old saying, "You are what you eat".





Subject: Fwd: Constitution Ruled Inadmissable as Evidence
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:58:17 PST

NOTE:
"The Citizens Rule Book" is on the web!
Get your copy while you can:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html
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Constitution Ruled Inadmissable as Evidence

Judge upholds government motion to redact defense exhibit of the Citizens Rule Book

by Don Harkins

In a court document dated February 18, 1997, U.S. Attorneys Katrina Pflaumer, Susan Dohrmann and Gene Porter filed a motion in Western District of Washington U.S. District Court calling for the "Government's redaction of defense exhibit F14, the Citizens Rule Book Jury Handbook."

The motion to have the Citizens Rule Book removed as evidence (which had been presented by John Pitner, et al, who were on trial for "militia activities,") came after the judge and the federal attorneys had censored the defense exhibit by removing some of the pages of the handbook in a way so that the jury would not know that the evidence had been tampered with.

The government's reason for wanting the Citizens Rule Book deemed inadmissible as evidence:Because it contains quotes from our framers and founders which clearly explain the intent of the jury system and the rights and responsibilities of jurors. The federal attorneys maintain that, "...the jury needs `no jury handbook' because the only appropriate
and legal guidance are in the Court's instructions which the jury is required to follow."

It is the position of the federal government and judges that jurors must follow judges' instructions only. It was the position of our Founding Fathers and Supreme Court justices that jurists were to follow their conscience in the full knowledge of their rights and responsibilities as jurors.

One position attempts to empower government entities to control the outcomes of trials by juries of one's peers.

The other position empowers citizens to use their own minds to determine the outcomes of trials by juries of one's peers.

Is there any reason to question why the government does not want fully informed jurors to sit in judgment of their peers? Is there any reason to question why the government has found it important to have the
Citizens Rule Book disallowed as evidence?

Can you see now why there has been a growing movement to discard the jury system as dysfunctional? Can you see now that the jury system has been sabotaged by judges (the state) so that people will be fooled into discarding it all by themselves?

As a juror, as the jury system was intended by the Founding Fathers, you are more powerful than the president.

That is why the state wants you to demand that the jury system be replaced with something "better."

Excerpts from the Citizens Rule Book: Jury Duty

The purpose of this article is to revive, as Jefferson put it, "The Ancient Principles." It is not designed to promote lawlessness or a
return to the jungle. The "Ancient Principles" refer to the Ten Commandments and the Common Law. The Common Law is, in simple terms, just plain common sense and has its roots in the Ten Commandments.

In 1776 we came out of BONDAGE with FAITH, UNDERSTANDING and COURAGE.
Even against great odds, and with much bloodshed, we battled our way to achieve LIBERTY.LIBERTY is that delicate area between the force of government and FREEWILL of man.LIBERTY brings FREEDOM of choice to work, to trade, to go and live wherever one wishes, it leads to ABUNDANCE, ABUNDANCE, if made an end in itself, will result in COMPLACENCY which
leads to APATHY. APATHY is the "let George do it" philosophy. This always brings DEPENDENCY. For a period of time, dependents are often not aware they are dependent. They delude themselves by thinking that they are still free "We never had it so
good" -- "We can still vote, can't we?" Eventually abundance diminishes and DEPENDENCY becomes known by its true nature: BONDAGE!!!

There are few ways out of bondage. Bloodshed and war often result, but our founding fathers learned of a better way. Realizing that a CREATOR is always above and greater than that which He creates, they established a three vote system by which an informed citizenry can control those acting in the name of government. To be a good master you must always remember the true "pecking order" or chain of command in this nation:

1. GOD created man
2. Man created the Constitution ...
3. Constitution created government ...
4. Government created corporations ...etc.

The base of power was to remain in WE THE PEOPLE but unfortunately, it was lost to those leaders acting in the name of government, such as politicians, bureaucrats, judges, lawyers, etc. As a result America began to function like a democracy instead of a REPUBLIC. A democracy is dangerous because it is a one-vote system as opposed to a Republic,
which is a three-vote system. Three votes to check tyranny, not just one.

American citizens have not been informed of their other two votes. Our first vote is at the polls on election day when we pick those who are to represent us in the seats of government. But what can be done if those elected officials just don't perform as promised or as expected? Well, the second two votes are the most effective means by which the common people of any nation on earth have ever had in controlling those appointed to serve them in government.

The second vote comes when you serve on a Grand Jury before anyone can be brought to trial for a capital or infamous crime by those acting in the name of government, permission must be obtained from people serving on the Grand Jury! The Minneapolis Star Tribune in the March 27, 1987 edition, noted a purpose of the Grand Jury this way: "A grand jury's
purpose is to protect the public from an overzealous prosecutor."

The third is the most powerful vote: This is when you are acting as jury member during a courtroom trial. At this point, "the buck stops" with you! It is in this setting that each JUROR has MORE POWER than the President, all of Congress, and all of the judges combined! Congress can legislate (make law), the president or some other bureaucrat can make
an order or issue regulations, and judges may instruct or make a decision, but no JUROR can ever be punished for voting "Not Guilty."

Any JUROR can, with impunity, choose to disregard the instructions of any judge or attorney in rendering his vote. If only one JUROR should vote "Not Guilty" for any reason, there is no conviction and no
punishment at the end of the trial. Thus, those acting in the name of government must come before the common man to get permission to
enforce a law.

As a JUROR in a trial setting, when it comes to your individual vote of innocent or guilty, you truly are answerable only to GOD ALMIGHTY. The First Amendment to the Constitution was born out of this great
concept. However, judges of today refuse to inform JURORS of their RIGHTS.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune in a newspaper article appearing in its November 30, 1984 edition, entitled: "What judges don't tell the
juries" stated: "At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, the jury's role as defense against political oppression was unquestioned in
American jurisprudence. This nation survived until the 1850's, when prosecutions under the Fugitive Slave Act were largely unsuccessful
because juries refused to convict.

"Then judges began to erode the institution of free juries, leading to the absurd compromise that is the current state of the law. While our
courts uniformly state juries have the power to return a verdict of not guilty, whatever the facts, they routinely tell the jurors the opposite.
Further, the courts will not allow the defendants or their counsel to inform the jurors of their true power. A lawyer who made ...
Hamilton's argument would face professional discipline and charges of contempt of court.

"By what logic should juries have the power to acquit a defendant but no right to know about that power? The court decisions that have
suppressed the notion of jury nullification cannot resolve this paradox. More than
logic has suffered. As originally conceived, juries were to be a kind of safety valve, a way to soften the bureaucratic rigidity of the judicial
system by introducing the common sense of the community. If they are to function effectively as the `conscience of the community,' juries must
be told that they have the power and the right to say no to a prosecution in order to achieve a greater good.To cut jurors off from this information is to undermine one of our most important institutions.

"Perhaps the community should educate itself. Then citizens called for jury duty could teach judges a needed lessonin civics."

Note from the Editor:

It seems to me that, what with the BATF harassing people for marketing the book Unintended Consequences and the Constitution not being allowed in court as evidence, it is our duty to read everything that the government does not want us to read.

Copies of the Citizens Rulebook can be ordered directly from:

Whitten Printers
1001 south 5th Street
Phoenix, AZ 85004
Phone: (602) 258-6406

1-20 copies, $1 each, 21-100 copies, 75 cents each, 101-250 copies, 65 cents each, 251-500 copies, 55 cents each, 501+ copies, 45 cents each.

charles
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E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group, P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 Grove City, OH 43123

Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse, 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.)

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From: "EAGLEFLIGHT----\"uNITED STATES Theatre Command (David E.
Rydel)\"" eagleflt@eagleflt.com

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:31:03 PST

Let me say ahead of time I support ALL patriot orgs that I bother to take time to email. I might not like you, or your politics but that does
not mean I can't work with you to try to save what is left of the Republic. I am resending this email in light of a "provactuers" post(appeended to the end of this email)I reved today. Tell me I was wrong when I sent the first one which was ignored.

Personally I think that anyone who accuses someone of being a trator without sufficent evidence to prove so in front of at least three other unit leaders should be considered one (a traitor) themselves. On the other hand I am not in favor of this court martials in abstinca either.
Folks need to read the history of the IRA. They shot themselves in the foot (in a major way) several times with just such courts martials.

This was orgianly sent to three different lists on the 20th. ( Of course being critiacl of certain aspect of the movment it was never
reposted anywhere, so most of you have not seen it.)

I belive if it does not show up via "our friends' this time I will wide area broadcast it on my own, as I already have the same addys I just
try no to flood everyone with repeat mail. I would apprectiate everyone who recives it from me doing the same this is IMPORTANT. You at least need to think about this stuff.

Seems to me we NEED to break up into provisional units (cells) with some kind of brigade liason. But you read the history and tell me if that what you think also.

The post is more valid now than before. We CAN learn from other mistakes. Or a lot more of us can go to prison and take about 50 years
to devolp an semi-effective strategy, you can bet the badguys count on that fact. Time is running out what are we gonna do?

Semper Fi
Jon
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Email of 03/29/98

This is a purely informational email and not meant to stick a bug up anybodies delicate posterior. I wish more of our "officer grade" folks or at least "field grade and above " would do some serious study. We can learn from others/history or we can do it the hard way. So far we have been doing it the hard way in spades.

I have seen a few back and forth email sessions here lately, with the term IRA used in a fairly negative manner. I have found this to be
rather amusing as at this point the "patriot" movement is an almost exact copy of the Irish Republican Army right down to the petty
bickering, and open dissension used by their enemies to water down any forward movement.

Deny it and I will show you the documentation in Shepardsville to prove you wrong. The morality arguments, the "denial" of "radical" elements. The politics, propaganda, ego wars, profiteering, posturing..on and on..... it's all the same. And it went on this whole century in the
Irish patriot movment.

Seriously do some real reading on the subject, If some/all of our "leaders" did this you would waste a lot less breath and energy. Every
thing you say has been said before this ground has been covered. We could be a hell of a lot further down the road which we need to go, and
not arguing about who is correct who is not and who got their pitiful little feelings hurt.

Some of us are going to attend the Knob Creek meeting again this year. I am going to be honest I have yet to see any reason to waste the gas money making that trip yet and we have been going since it started. I am not alone in this, since I am the one who has to talk these guy's into going I am hoping we do better this year. All you General Staffs, National Commands etc lets live up to our titles. Let make some progress and NOT declarations or sales pitches this spring.

If not we will be just like the (in some corners) much despised IRA for quite awhile too come.

Semper Fidelis
Jon W Holloway

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Daves post of the 28th, which prompted me to resend this email.

Who is a Provocateur???? Most of you know by now that we recently upgraded defcon from 3 to 2 in response to the arrest of three Michigan patriots last week. Their names
are Ken Carter, Randy Graham and Brad Metcalf. They were all arrested on gun charges or on conspiracy to own a machine gun. I'm sure that most of you also know that the uSTC has stated that no more patriots would be jailed unjustly. Last Sunday we held an assembly of our people in Michigan and around the country in support of the three
arrested patriots. By 2:00 pm. only a few men had showed up for this meeting. We found out later that provocateur and liarDon Vos of Ohio
had been calling around the country passing lies saying that Art Bean and Dave Rydel were federal agents. People were told by Vos that the
meeting was a set up and if they showed up they would be arrested.. People could have died as the result of Don Vos's treacherous actions.
.
The hopes of the three incarcerated patriots and their families was cruelly dashed and the men yet remain in jail. As of 10:30 this morning
all three men were refused bail based on their supposed danger to society. The new world order people can do what ever they want
we have nothing to stop them now... Thanks to Vos. I publicly call on Don Vos to answer these questions: What proof do you have? Why are you spreading such lies about us? Vos has hurt the whole Patriot movement with his lies and I ask you all to consider why he might be doing this and what, if any, proof he has been able to show to support his allegations. Please also consider the actions of the following so-called patriots: Ken Woodcock of Pennsylvania_____
At the last Knob Creek meeting held in November of 1997 a man by the name of Ken Woodcock said at a staff meeting that he tried to check me out with whoever it is that he uses for such functions and found that I did not show any history going back beyond eight years. For that reason he felt that I could not be trusted and that I could be an agent working
for the federal government. I explained to Woodcock in the meeting that I haved lived in the same community for 23 years and could be easily documented. He agreed to initiate a second check on the following Monday. He also agreed that if the results of the second check were the same as the first, he would
come to Michigan and visit the grave of my son who died seventeen years ago and accept that as proof. Woodcock never kept his word in this matter yet he continues to spread lies about me being an agent. The same question arises.
Why is he telling lies about me? Lies that can easily be proven wrong.

Jim Strode of New Mexico_____
Jim Strode is hearing things from people like the ones mentioned above and then making statements on the internet saying that we can no
longer work with the uSTC. He could not have confirmed these stories so why pass them on and why base such important policy decisions upon them? Strode has done the whole patriot movement wrong by passing unconfirmed
and patently false information without checking it out.

John Trochman of Montana_____
Every time John Trochman has a chance to discredit the uSTC, he does so. He has twisted facts and told lies about me time after time. I have called Trochman on several occasions with no response. I have left numerous messages but he never returns my calls. I again ask why and urge each of you to do the same. My phone number appears on everything
I send out and I am always open to honest conversation. Why would Trochman engage in back stabbing treachery rather than honest dialog?

Mark Koernke & John Statmiller of Michigan_____
Last Wednesday, March 25, on Kornke's and Statmiller's radio show, Statmiller repeated a statement over and over from someone that Dave
Rydel was a federal agent. Art Bean's name was also mentioned in some
conversations but he was not accused of being an agent. The
accusation
against me was made without any proof whatsoever. Statmiller said
they
would give Art and I ample time to respond to these accusations on the
air. How can we be expected to respond to accusations if there are no
clear charges against us and if there is no
evidence against us? This reeks of a kangaroo court. Again the question is why? Could it be to regenerate cold ratings for the radio show or to make more profit? They never called to ask
anything of us nor substantiated the allegations. Many of us often criticize the
mainstream media for slanted coverage but perhaps we should be looking in our own backyard as well. It has also been reported to me from Art Bean as well as from other
patriots that John and Mark have on a regular basis had people speaking on their radio show with false accents to make it seem that they
represent different parts of the country. They give false intelligence reports and random comment that are scripted prior the actual
broadcast. Some "callers" have actually been reported to have been sitting in the
studio at the time their calls were aired. I again ask. WHY? Are they trying to buff up a failing talk show? Are they provocateurs? Or are they just plain fools? Honor as concerns about who I am or what I believe I hope they will call and question me directly, one-on-one. My phone is available to everyone. If you have comments on this situation, please feel free to contact me.
If you think I am a federal agent, please have the courage and honor to approach me to my face, even if only on the phone. Only cowards
gossip and make false statements behind someone's back. It has been suggested that a Board of Inquiry be convened at Knob Creek
to investigate the actions of those listed above as well as some other individuals who are involved. That action is currently under
advisement and the input of interested parties is welcome. COMMITMENT I am asking all patriots to make a commitment to each other by
approving the alliance that is posted on our web site. We must all stand together if we are to win this battle for freedom. As for myself, I will from this time forward only work with committed individuals who have honor, honesty, and a strong commitment to the
cause. I will no longer work with those who are patriots for profit, provocateurs, liars, cheats, cowards, drunks, or fools. And recent
events clearly show who falls into those catagories. I will also no longer work
with those who have less than full commitment to the constitution and the cause of freedom.
This the last public statement I will make on this matter. I will not talk about it in radio, television, print or electronic media. I do
however, as always, remain open for individual communication at 248-391-0798. I will also be open to questions and discussion at Knob Creek to anyone who is willing to approach me face to face. With my hand on the Holy Bible, I do swear that this statement is the truth, all the truth, and nothing but the truth so help me God. In the Faith
David E Rydel

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