Children, Dogs Hold Off Idaho Sheriff

SANDPOINT, Idaho

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The McGuckin family is shown in this copy of 1990 photograph
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Sandpoint, Idaho

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UPDATE: June 4, 2001 (Monday)

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Idaho Mom Rejects Judge's Offer
Mon Jun 4 18:25:17 2001

Idaho Mom Rejects Judge's Offer

By C.G. Wallace
Associated Press Writer
Monday, June 4, 2001; 5:43 p.m. EDT

SANDPOINT, Idaho –– A judge on Monday agreed to release a woman
whose arrest last week prompted her children to hunker down in their
home for five days, but the woman's attorney said she refused to leave jail
under the judge's terms.

Judge Barbara Buchanan said she would release JoAnn McGuckin if she
agrees to not violate custodial orders involving six of her children and not
try to contact them without authorization.

McGuckin's lawyer, Bryce Powell, told the judge his client would not
accept the conditions.

"My client demands dismissal of the charges and child protection
proceedings and an apology," Powell said. "She will not leave the jail at
this time."

The children had holed up in the house Tuesday after their mother was
arrested on a felony child neglect charge. Sheriff's deputies waited them
out until Saturday because they were believed to be armed and suspicious
of authorities.

The mother has talked to the children by telephone since their surrender,
Robinson said Monday.

The McGuckins lost their ramshackle home to a county tax sale last
September. The current owner has asked authorities to keep McGuckin
out, Bonner County Prosecutor Phil Robinson said.

But Buchanan said she would not bar McGuckin from returning to the
house until the new owner initiates legal proceedings. The judge noted
McGuckin had lived in the home for several years and, "I'm not going to
entertain any order to bar her from her home."

The children were taken to a hospital after surrendering to police and
were expected to be released into the temporary custody of a family
friend. They were reported to be in good condition.

A hearing to decide whether the children will continue to be wards of the
court or be returned to their mother was tentatively scheduled for
Tuesday.

McGuckin has been jailed since her arrest last Tuesday, when authorities
lured her from the home with an offer to take her to buy groceries.

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Standoff Extra
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Michael McGuckin, was buried last Friday 05/25/01 after a lengthy illness.  JoAnn McGuckin was arrested Tuesday 05/29/01

Call Jarvis and tell him to back off ..........

Phil Jarvis, Sheriff Bonner County, Idaho (208) 263-8417
http://www.idahosheriff.com/bonner/
Send E-mail To... bonnersheriff@hotmail.com

Deputies lured Joann McGuckin from the house Tuesday with grocery money. She was taken into custody after going to a store with a deputy who had brought the cash. Deputies returned to the home to get the children and put them in state custody, but one of the boys ran to the house and yelled, "Get the guns," the sheriff said. He said the children then let the dogs out of the basement.

The children, who have been *home-schooled, have been told over a loudspeaker they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother if they come out, Jarvis said.
There are three girls and three boys in the home, ranging in age from eight
to 16 year old.

JoAnn McGuckin, 45, was arrested without incident on Tuesday, but her
children remain in the family home at 187 Garfield Bay Cutoff.  The six
kids are refusing to leave or talk with deputies.

Neighborhood resident Lloyd Wyatt, 84, said the children were sometimes seen around town dressed in ragged clothing. He said he wasn't surprised they were holed up in the house.
"We are a breed of people who say, 'This is our home and we are entitled to protect it,'" Wyatt said.

The incident was unfolding about 25 miles from Ruby Ridge, the scene of a 1992 standoff involving the family of Randy Weaver that led to the death of Weaver's wife and son.

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Children, Dogs Hold Off Idaho Sheriff
The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 30, 2001; 2:02 p.m. EDT

SANDPOINT, Idaho –– Six children, believed to be armed, refused to leave their rural home and instead released a pack of dogs on sheriff's deputies who had arrested their mother, authorities said.

Deputies retreated from the house after a two-hour standoff Tuesday and were pondering their next move Wednesday.

"I told them, 'We're just going to defuse it, we're leaving,'" Sheriff Phil Jarvis said. "I'm not going to get into a Randy Weaver thing."

In 1992, at nearby Ruby Ridge, the wife and son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed during a standoff with federal agents.

The children, ranging in ages from 8 to 16, would not respond to calls from social workers or law enforcement officers. A 19-year-old sister Erina McGluckin who left home has been assisting authorities.

"We know there are six children in there and guns in the house. The kids are trained to use the guns," Jarvis said.

More than 20 dogs have been running free at the scene, Jarvis said.

"They hunt. They pack like wild animals," Jarvis said. "They took down a moose a little while ago."

The home lacks power, water and heat. The children are in the care of their 16-year-old sister, Jarvis said.

The incident was triggered by Tuesday's arrest of the children's mother, Joann McGuckin, on a warrant charging felony injury to a child.

Authorities believe McGuckin, 46, is mentally ill. Her husband died more than a week ago, Jarvis said.

Deputies returned to the home to get the children and put them in the state custody, but one of the boys ran to the house and yelled, "'Get the guns,'" Jarvis said. "They let all the dogs out of the basement."

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McGuckin appeared on a video feed from jail during her court hearing Wednesday, The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Wash., reported. She wore her long red hair loose and sat backward in a chair with her hands and chin resting on the top of the chair's back.

Asked if she wanted a court-appointed attorney, she said she had options, but "at this time it would be prudent to be conservative, and please appoint an attorney."

McGuckin was buried last Friday 05/25/01 and his wife was arrested Tuesday 05/29/01

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Observer
RETURN THE CHILDREN THEIR MOTHER!!!!
JoAnn McGuckin, mother of the six children


JoAnn McGuckin, mother of the six children
Thu May 31 01:26:42 2001

RETURN THE MOTHER TO HER CHILDREN, AND GIVE AN ANMERICAN THEIR GUARANTEED RIGHTS, A PUBLIC TRIAL!!!!

Deputies wait out armed children in Idaho
May 31, 2001 Posted: 12:24 AM EDT (0424 GMT)
SANDPOINT, Idaho (CNN) -- County authorities backed away from a standoff with armed children outside a northern Idaho home Wednesday after the children released a pack of dogs on officers who arrested their mother.
Bonner County Sheriff Phil Jarvis said he would wait out the six children who have holed up in their home in Idaho's northern panhandle.
"I've pulled my officers out of there because I don't want to artificially escalate this thing into a confrontation with children," Jarvis said. "The kids are pretty upset right now."
The confrontation began Tuesday when deputies arrested the children's mother on felony charges of injuring a child. Deputies then tried to take the children into custody so they could be turned over to state family and children's services agency, but Jarvis said the children retreated into the home and released 27 dogs on officers.
"These are vicious dogs which routinely track and kill deer and even killed a small moose recently," Jarvis said. "They've killed virtually every dog in the neighborhood by ganging up on them."
Deputies fired at the dogs, but Jarvis said he was not sure if any dogs were hit. Jarvis then moved his deputies off the property and cordoned off the road leading to the rural home to keep reporters and curiosity-seekers out of the area.
"We just wanted to house and clothe and feed the kids, but it's not worthy of a confrontation," he said.
Jarvis said he is willing to wait the kids out and avoid a potentially violent standoff, but it might take a while.
"They're pretty self-sufficient," Jarvis noted. "They've been eating off the land for some time. But I'm not about to press the issue."
Jarvis wouldn't give details of the charge against the children's mother, but said that it "comes from long-term neglect of the kids," who haven't been to school for some time. The mother is mentally ill, and her husband died recently after being bed-ridden by illness for several years, Jarvis said.
The two oldest children, a 16-year-old girl and a 15-year-old boy, have apparently been taking care of the other children, he said.
The home has no power, water or telephone connection. Negotiators have been trying to talk to the children through a loudspeaker, but have received no response so far.
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This aerial photo of the McGuckin home was taken from a plane more than a 1,000 feet up.

From the Sandpoint Online:

They transferred ownership of the property to a friend, who failed to pay the taxes. JoAnn McGuckin offered to deed a smaller piece of property to the county to cover the debts, but that didn't stop the county from selling her property last fall.

"Why did Bonner County choose to deed to the county 40 acres with a quarter mile of private lake frontage to pay off $5,487 worth of taxes?" McGuckin asked, in a April 2000 letter to the county treasurer's office.

The family still lives in the same home, now owned by Schmuel and Amy Korengut.

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Children hold off Idaho authorities at rural home after mother's arrest
NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS, Associated Press Writer
05-31) 06:52 PDT SANDPOINT, Idaho (AP) --


For years, Michael and JoAnn McGuckin kept their children close to their dilapidated rural home, fearing illness and imagined government plots to take the home and split up the family.
Now the six youngest, ages 8 to 16, are holed up inside with a stash of rifles and a pack of vicious dogs.
With their father dead and their mother arrested, they are refusing to answer negotiators who have been trying since Tuesday to coax them out. The children released the dogs when deputies first approached the house, and one yelled "Get the guns!" before the officers pulled back, Sheriff Phil Jarvis said.
"I'm not going to force an issue with children," Jarvis said Wednesday. "We are waiting for them to calm down. We want to convince them we are there to help."
In the minds of many in the area is the 1992 shootout at nearby Ruby Ridge, where the wife and son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed during a standoff with federal agents. But Jarvis said this standoff is different because authorities aren't out to arrest anyone inside the home.
It was triggered by Tuesday's arrest of JoAnn McGuckin, 46, on a warrant charging felony injury to a child. Jarvis declined to elaborate on the charge.

A county judge set bail at $100,000 for McGuckin on Wednesday. Prosecutor Phil Robinson said she had been spending the family's meager resources on alcohol.
Deputies lured her from the house Tuesday with grocery money, and she was taken into custody after going to a store with a deputy who had brought the cash.
But when deputies returned to take the children to state social services, the children locked themselves inside the home.
"This is a mentally ill woman and she has her children scared to death," Jarvis said.
The stalemate at the McGuckin home, on a dirt road about a mile from the tiny Lake Pend Oreille community of Garfield Bay, continued early Thursday. It wasn't clear whether the children were communicating with officials.
Mary Peters, who knew the McGuckins, said the family was more sociable before Michael became ill with multiple sclerosis.

She brought out a decade-old photo of the family in a church directory showing a smiling Michael and JoAnn McGuckin and five of their eight children. Michael worked in a lumber mill to support his family then, she said.
The illness and the financial struggles that followed took a mental toll on JoAnn, Peters said. She became convinced her husband's illness was caused by chemicals sprayed on the roads, and that the government was planning to take the children and their home, Peters said.
"We haven't seen the kids for five years," she said.
The home is now rundown and no longer has power, water or heat. The children, kept home from school, have been largely caring for themselves, subsisting on water dragged from the lake and what food they can find, Jarvis said. The family refused help from social service agencies.
When Michael McGuckin died three weeks ago, the official cause of death was dehydration and malnutrition.
A 19-year-old sister who left the home recently after an argument with her mother was helping deputies try to draw the children out, Jarvis said.
They have told the children over a loudspeaker that they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother, he said.

Law enforcement officers made contact with one of the children briefly Wednesday, but the contact was broken off when a news media helicopter swooped overhead, Jarvis said.
The Rev. Dennis Day, who officiated Michael McGuckin's funeral at St. Joseph Catholic Church in Sandpoint, about 10 miles from Garfield Bay, said the family rebuffed all offers of help and seemed consumed by paranoia.
The oldest of the children now lives in California and has little contact with his family, Day said.
"Everybody saw this coming. They were dirt-poor. The kids didn't have the right things to eat," Day said. "They really alienated themselves from the world." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2001/05/31/national0456EDT0477.DTL

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Armed Kids Sic Dogs on Cops In Idaho Standoff

AP

Thursday, May 31, 2001

 



Six armed and destitute Idaho kids who survived for months on lily pad soup sicced a pack of dogs Wednesday on the sheriff's deputies who arrested their mother.

The children, whose father died three weeks ago of multiple sclerosis, released the dogs after the deputies tried to get them to leave their Sandpoint, Idaho, home, authorities said.
"Everybody saw this coming. They were dirt-poor. The kids didn't have the right things to eat," said Rev. Dennis Day, who officiated at the father's funeral. "They really alienated themselves from the world."
Day also said the family rebuffed help and seemed beset with anti-government paranoia.
Sheriff Phil Jarvis said he was trying to avoid a repeat of the 1992 shootout at nearby Ruby Ridge, where the wife and son of white separatist Randy Weaver were killed during a standoff with federal agents.
"I have a four-year term," Jarvis said. "I'm not going to force an issue with children."
Deputies who retreated from the house after a two-hour standoff said they planned to wait out the kids peacefully.

The home, located down a dirt road just past a county dump, lacks power, water and heat. The children have been caring for themselves for the past year, and for months they have lived on soup made of lake water and lily pads, Jarvis said.
"We know there are six children in there and guns in the house. The kids are trained to use the guns," Jarvis said.
Jarvis said the children, ages 8 to 16, would not respond to calls from social workers or police. Officers said a 15-year-old boy had taken a leadership role.
Officials are using a loudspeaker to tell the children that they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother if they come out, Jarvis said. A 19-year-old sister who left home was assisting authorities.
The incident was triggered by Tuesday's arrest of the children's mother, JoAnn McGuckin, on a warrant charging felony injury to a child. Jarvis declined to elaborate on the charge.
Authorities believe McGuckin, 46, is mentally ill.
Deputies lured McGuckin from the house Tuesday with grocery money. She was taken into custody after going to a store with a deputy who had brought the cash.
Deputies returned to the home to get the children and put them in state custody, but one of the boys ran to the house and yelled, "Get the guns," the sheriff said. He said the children then let the dogs out of the basement.
"They hunt. They pack like wild animals," Jarvis said. "They took down a moose a little while ago."
Neighborhood resident Lloyd Wyatt, 84, said the children were sometimes seen around town dressed in ragged clothing. He said he wasn't surprised they were holed up in the house.
"We are a breed of people who say, 'This is our home and we are entitled to protect it,'" Wyatt said.

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A Bonner County sheriff's deputy stands near a roadblock on Wednesday outside Sandpoint, Idaho, where six armed children are holed up inside their rural home

Thursday May 31 8:34 AM ET

Idaho Kids, Holed Up at Home, Resist Police


SANDPOINT, Idaho (Reuters) - Police played a waiting game on Thursday morning, hoping that six children holed up in their rural home for two days would break their silence and talk to authorities offering help, a Sandpoint officer said.

Police overnight kept a vigil outside the house on a dirt road in a hamlet near Sandpoint in northern Idaho, and would try again to end the standoff with the six McGuckin children, aged 8 to 16, that began on Tuesday, an officer said early on Thursday.

With their father recently dead from an illness and their mother in police custody, the children ignored officers' attempts to negotiate with them on Wednesday, instead unleashing several ``vicious'' dogs on the police, the officer said.

``Everything is status quo this morning,'' said a Sandpoint officer. ``We're hoping things change this morning.''

The standoff began on Tuesday when police arrested the mother, JoAnn McGuckin, 46, on a warrant charging felony injury to a child. An officer had lured her outside with the offer of taking her to a store.

Their father, Michael McGuckin, died several weeks ago of an illness, the officer said.

After the arrest, police went to the home and tried to contact the children with a loudspeaker to take them into protective custody, but the children would not cooperate and locked themselves in the rundown home, the officer said.

The dogs, described as vicious by police, were going in and out of the house since being released by the children on Wednesday, the officer said.

The officer, who declined to be identified, said police feared that the children might have guns and were patiently waiting for them to shed their fears so the stalemate doesn't evolve into something more explosive.

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A county judge set bail at $100,000 for McGuckin on Wednesday. Prosecutor Phil Robinson said she had been spending the family's meager resources on alcohol.

Deputies lured her from the house Tuesday with grocery money, and she was taken into custody after going to a store with a deputy who had brought the cash.

But when deputies returned to take the children to state social services, the children locked themselves inside the home.

"This is a mentally ill woman and she has her children scared to death," Jarvis said.

The stalemate at the McGuckin home, on a dirt road about a mile from the tiny Lake Pend Oreille community of Garfield Bay, continued early Thursday. It wasn't clear whether the children were communicating with officials.

Mary Peters, who knew the McGuckins, said the family was more sociable before Michael became ill with multiple sclerosis.

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They have told the children over a loudspeaker that they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother, Jarvis said.

Law enforcement officers made contact with one of the children briefly Wednesday, but the contact was broken off when a news media helicopter swooped overhead, Jarvis said.

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She brought out a decade-old photo of the family in a church directory showing a smiling Michael and JoAnn McGuckin and five of their eight children. Michael worked in a lumber mill to support his family then, she said.

The illness and the financial struggles that followed took a mental toll on JoAnn, Peters said. She became convinced her husband's illness was caused by chemicals sprayed on the roads, and that the government was planning to take the children and their home, Peters said.

"We haven't seen the kids for five years," she said.

The home is now rundown and no longer has power, water or heat. The children, kept home from school, have been largely caring for themselves, subsisting on water dragged from the lake and what food they can find, Jarvis said. The family refused help from social service agencies.

When Michael McGuckin died three weeks ago, the official cause of death was dehydration and malnutrition, County Coroner Dale Coffeepot said.

A 19-year-old sister who left the home recently after an argument with her mother was helping deputies try to draw the children out, Jarvis said.

They have told the children over a loudspeaker that they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother, he said.

Law enforcement officers made contact with one of the children briefly Wednesday, but the contact was broken off when a news media helicopter swooped overhead, Jarvis said.

The Rev. Dennis Day, who officiated Michael McGuckin's funeral at St. Joseph Catholic Church in Sandpoint, about 10 miles from Garfield Bay, said the family rebuffed all offers of help and seemed consumed by paranoia.

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Neighbors said the McGuckins were a once-popular family who regularly socialized with neighbors in the rural neighborhood southeast of Sandpoint, Idaho, hosting the neighborhood Christmas party every year and inviting neighborhood children over to play.

Michael McGuckin, who died May 12 of multiple sclerosis, once owned a sawmill in the area and was a former member of the local Knights of Columbus. The family regularly attended the local Catholic church.

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Mary Peters, who knew the McGuckins, said the family was more sociable before Michael became ill with multiple sclerosis.

She brought out a decade-old photo of the family in a church directory showing a smiling Michael and JoAnn McGuckin and five of their eight children. Michael worked in a lumber mill to support his family then, she said.

The illness and the financial struggles that followed took a mental toll on JoAnn, Peters said. She became convinced her husband's illness was caused by chemicals sprayed on the roads, and that the government was planning to take the children and their home, Peters said.

"They probably think they took their mom away from them," Peters said. "They have been taught to defend themselves."

"We haven't seen the kids for five years," she said

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While deputies haven't seen any weapons, they know there are guns in the house and the children know how to use them, Jarvis said.

The children, who have been home-schooled, have been told over a loudspeaker they will be fed, housed and taken to see their mother if they come out, Jarvis said.

With those dogs still roaming the property Thursday, police were seeking to communicate with the children over loudspeaker, and had enlisted the help of a 19-year-old sister Erina McGluckin who had recently moved out of the house, Bonner County Patrol Sergeant Robert Rahn said.

He added that one of the first priorities was figuring out how to get the dogs under control. ``We're working on several options, the humane society and vets,'' he said.

While police repeatedly said they planned no abrupt action, neighbors warned they could be in for a long wait if they hope the children will leave the home of their own accord.

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May 31, 2001 PM
Deputies using a loudspeaker had raised a response from a young girl in the home at about 4 p.m., but whatever she said was drowned out by the noise of the chopper, Jarvis said. The chopper was rented by a KREM-2 cameraman.
"I'm furious; absolutely furious," said Jarvis. "The press is blowing this completely and totally out of proportion. It's counterproductive."
The children, whose ages range from eight to 16, cut contact with outsiders shortly after their mother, JoAnn McGuckin, 45, was arrested on Tuesday. McGuckin, who was described as being mentally disturbed, is charged with felony injury to a child for allegedly neglecting the children.
McGuckin was arrested at Garfield Bay Resort to avoid frightening the children into a confrontation. She complained of chest pains during her arrest and was taken to Bonner General Hospital, then to the county jail. Deputies told the kids their mother was being hospitalized, but the children became suspicious and fled into the home. Someone in the home then sicced as many as 27 dogs on one of the deputies. Deputy Bill Tilson fired on the pack of dogs so he could get away, but it remains unknown if any of them were injured or killed.

Jarvis estimates he fielded as many as 100 phone calls not just from local and regional media, but national and international media as well. He said he took phone inquiries from Good Morning America and from two Australian talk shows which seemed eager to liken the situation to the Ruby Ridge standoff in 1992.

The family has struggled financially and the kids' father died of complications from multiple sclerosis earlier this month.
"They've had a pretty hard go of it," said resident Lloyd Watson. "I have a lot of empathy for her (JoAnn McGuckin). She needs help; the kids need help."
The operators of the C&R Grocery sold plenty of coffee, snacks and deli sandwiches to TV and print reporters, but lamented that the national media has latched onto the story.
"It's more negative publicity for North Idaho," said Dori Strickland, who runs the grocery store with her husband. "It seems like it's always something negative that's being reported on the national news."

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Call Jarvis and tell him to back off .......... Phil Jarvis, Sheriff Bonner County, Idaho (208) 263-8417

http://www.idahosheriff.com/bonner/

Send E-mail To... bonnersheriff@hotmail.com

Sandpoint Idaho

Sandpoint is located at the north end of Lake Pend Oreille. Permanently settled in the 1880s, Sandpoint became an important logging, milling, and rail center. Today Sandpoint is a modern, thriving resort community.

Highway 95 runs through the city, which is the county seat of Bonner County.

The home is located about a mile from the Lake Pend Oreille community of Garfield Bay, down a dirt road just past a county dump. A deputy blocked the road on Wednesday and would not let reporters up to the house.

Garfield Bay is about 10 miles south of Sandpoint in north Idaho.

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COMMENTS:

From:  Cookieangel23@cs.com
     To:  apfn@apfn.org

RE: IDAHO CHILDREN

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JoAnn McGluckin

SEEMS TO ME THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE HELPED THIS WOMAN A LONG TIME AGO.  SEEING THAT HER HUSBAND DIED AND SHE HAD ALL THOSE CHILDREN TO CARE FOR, WHERE IS THE COMMUNITY HELPING?  THE KIDS ARE IN RAGGED CLOTHES?  HOW COME NO ONE SENT THEM OR BROUGHT THEM CLOTHES?  THEY NEEDED MONEY?  APPARENTLY
BECAUSE THE SHERIFF GOT HER OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS MONEY TO BUY FOOD.  SOUNDS LIKE ENTRAPMENT TO ME.  BUT ONE LAST THOUGHT: 
DOESN'T IT SEEM STRANGE THAT IT ONLY TOOK ONE WOMAN TO TAKE CARE OF 8 CHILDREN AND THE ENTIRE SHERIFFS DEPT. CAN'T GET THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE? WHO IS THE INCOMPETANT HERE??? -   Cookieangel23@cs.com

Phil Jarvis, Sheriff Bonner County, Idaho (208) 263-8417
http://www.idahosheriff.com/bonner/
Send E-mail To:  bonnersheriff@hotmail.com
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to Edgar Steele, Esq.: Where's the lawsuit?

Grugyn Silverbristle mailto:grugyn@servtech.com
to Edgar Steele, Esq.: Where's the lawsuit?
Fri Jun 1 16:28:00 2001

Excuse me, sir for intruding.

Are there not grounds already to file a lawsuit against the Sheriff's department and Bonner County for false arrest and wrongful imprisonment, and also denial of due process (where is the Grand Jury indictment?)?

So where is the CIVIL lawsuit? Have the Summons and Complaint and the Request For Judicial Intervention been filed? There's no excuse for not filing a civil countersuit immediately.

Further, the existence of such a lawsuit ... and with the likelihood of a substantial out-of-court settlement being reachable (wouldn't the family settle for $300,000 out of court ... and what insurance carrier would not take that?), given the NATIONWIDE media attention now enjoyed ... it seems that Mrs. McGuckin may be due for a WINDFALL ... which, of course, would nullify the DoS concern for the children's future, wouldn't it.

So let's not make these people into martyrs.

Get to work. Who is the Liability Insurance Carrier for Bonner County? Have you spoken with THEM, yet?
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COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION

From CNN Message Board:

Denise Caster - Friday, 06/01/01, 1:53:56am (#461 of 470)

Just one more thing. Perhaps all would be interested in the Properties available on and around Lake Pend Oreille. Access these, and note the prices for these properties. http://sandpointidrealestate.com/search/diane_residential.taf?function=search&start=16

What do you think? Do you suppose someone wanted this property? How many acres does this family own?

Denise Caster - Friday, 06/01/01, 2:04:51am (#468 of 470)

One note on the link I provided, this gives all postings for the area of Sandpoint. While I took the link from Lake Pend Oreille property only, it seems that I have provided all properties. Please access the properties from about #90 and up. These are the properties on or around Lake Pend Oreille. Notice the prices. And if these children were supposed to be eating "lily-pad soup", would this not mean that they were close to the Waterfront? Sounds like State Government misinformation tactics, to justify their agenda. And has anyone else noticed that it was only one neighbor that was willing to speak to the media, in regard to this issue? Would she perhaps have a reason of her own for this?

Paul Kalfas - Friday, 06/01/01, 7:37:41pm (#1119 of 1129)

IT IS CLEAR THIS IS A LAND GRAB OF THE MCGUCKIN FAMILY PROPERTY! You will see after a year or so and the family is moved off someone with connections or money will snatch the 1 million dollar property for unpaid taxes hold on to it for another year and then use it for what they already had their sights on it for. I guess they waited long enough for the father to pass away an 2 weeks after was already to long. Instead of the press screaming about Guns/Rifles, which one would expect in that area to be as common as a laptop is in CNN , maybe they should investigate real estate holdings in the area. My god if they can use a microwave or drink Pierre water they are not humans. Maybe someone heard about California's having an electricity shortage. If they really cared about the family they would have been receiving food stamps in the mail with rides to medicare facilities. I see it everyday here in chicago...

And come on BULL HORNS!! I thought it was 2001 in the U.S.A. Some one must have a cell phone or maybe TOY'R US can donate some Barbie walkie talkies. Since deception has been used there should be a signed agreement that the property has all the children's names as owners with one of them being a guardian (with assistance) and the family stays together. I am sorry but if we can convict 13 year olds as adults they should be able to live alone for weeks at a time.

B Dubs - Friday, 06/01/01, 7:42:05pm (#1123 of 1129)

Why is it that a 12-14 year old is Adult enough to kill someone, and make that decision in an adult fashion, but they aren't adult enough to watch after themself. Nobody knows what a certain person needs in their life except that person. Why should it be everyone's place to say "these kids need supervision" or "these kids need some discipline". what they need is to be helped through this, instead of having a bunch of hillbilly park rangers with 12 guages standing at the end of their driveway waiting for the next possible chance to run in guns-a-blazin.

John L Phillips - Friday, 06/01/01, 7:42:59pm (#1126 of 1129)

Lance David, If the feds are not there they soon will be in all likelihiood, and, from what I hear, they are, just not at the baracades where they can be seen publically. This has already been confirmed by the meida (for whatever good that's worth).

What you call "ranting" I call freedom of speach. Of course, perhaps we should lose this right too I suppose! And even if it is just the locals cops and CPS on scene, they should still back off and public opinion sometimes influences discisions. Kids are taken from parents and abused by the System every day. The only hope these kids have now is that the world knows of their plight and the authorities may be more compassionate because it.

As for the kids being left alone, if this happened to my family I'd much rather trust my kids (who clearly know how to get by alone according to the propaganda released thus far) and my neighbors and church than have them hauled away, split up, and sent into "protective custody" where they will probably disappear into the system. The recently widowed mom has not even been tried yet, let alone convicted of anything! The kids would not be alone if the government would bring her back home until they a case against her.

Rachelle Smith - Friday, 06/01/01, 7:55:24pm (#1137 of 1137)

John, Thanks so much about your comment about trusting your own kids to protect themselves instead being hauled away and separated by a bunch of strangers. Most kids in rural Idaho are taught the basics of fending for themselves because they live in the wild with bears, etc. They are also taught an early age how to use and respect a gun (a large % of Idahoans need to protect themselves from the weirdos who come into our state), and most families have dogs for the same reason. These kids have been through so much already, I don't blame them for fighting to stay together!

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Attorney Edgar Steele to represent McGuckin family
http://www.sandpoint.com/NewsArticle.asp?CMD=Detail&ID=2347

Edgar Steele, a defense attorney who took McGuckin's case yesterday 05/31/01, said he will fight to make sure the kids are kept together under the care of a family friend while he battles the criminal charge. He said he will also attempt to overturn a county auction that sold the McGuckins' land for back taxes last year. http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/25604_kids01.shtml

Stalemate continues

Efforts to coax six children holed up in their Garfield Bay home were foiled Wednesday when a helicopter carrying a Spokane television cameraman began hovering over the residence. http://www.sandpoint.com/

Utah Standoff UPDATE

SANDPOINT, Idaho (AP) - One of six children involved in a standoff at their rural home was taken into custody overnight after he went to a neighbor, authorities said Friday.

Benjamin McGuckin, 15, who initiated the standoff and is said to be an avid reader of survivalist magazines, went to a neighbor's house late Thursday and accepted the neighbor's offer to drive him to a meeting with authorities, Bonner County Prosecutor Phil Robinson said.

The boy met with a sheriff's deputy, a social worker and two doctors, a pediatrician and a family practitioner.
Attorney Edgar Steele on Thursday warned that anti-government activists from around the country would converge on northern Idaho if the children's mother was not released from jail.
``The sheriff's department is adding fuel to the fire,'' said Steele, a Sandpoint lawyer who recently represented Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler in a lawsuit. He called the case ``a modern American tragedy in the making.''

As the stalemate along a rural road entered its fourth day on Friday, Steele planned to ask a Bonner County judge to reduce the bail for JoAnn McGuckin, 46, from $100,000 and reunite her with her children.

Bonner County officials did not immediately reply to Steele's demands.

Contrary to previous reports, the house has had electricity throughout the standoff, said officials at Northern Lights, the local power company.

At a news conference, Steele ridiculed the assertion that the children had been starving and filthy and living in unhealthy conditions before authorities tried to remove them to social service agencies on Tuesday.

``They've characterized them as little more than savages,'' Steele complained. ``It just ain't the truth.''

The father of the family, Michael McGuckin, was buried last Friday after a lengthy illness. Since JoAnn McGuckin was arrested Tuesday, on a warrant charging felony injury of a child, the six children left at home - ages 8 to 16 - have refused to leave the house. Two older children live elsewhere.

Despite early reports the children might be starving, a family friend picked up a 200-pound box of staples for them at the Bonner Community Food Center last Friday, director Alice Wallace said Thursday.

The family routinely received food from the center, she said. Of reports that the children had been subsisting on lily pad soup and lake water, she said: ``They weren't existing on that and that alone.''

Wallace characterized the McGuckins as ``a normal family that has fallen on hard times.'' The children are ``great kids. They're well-mannered, they're polite, they're respectful.''

Steele, who represented Butler in the recent federal trial that cost the Aryan Nations its Idaho compound, blasted sheriff's officers for their arrest of McGuckin and their plan to disperse her children into foster care.

``This is exactly what she was afraid of and that's exactly what they're trying to do,'' Steele said.

He went to the house Thursday, but said the children would not speak to him either. He planned to try again.

Steele did spend two hours with the mother on Wednesday. He is working pro bono as one of the woman's lawyers and is representing the children's interests. McGuckin also has a court-appointed lawyer.

``This woman is perfectly capable of taking care of the kids and herself,'' he said, though he conceded the family had become reclusive since the father's illness.

Steele suggested the stalemate could be resolved by bringing the mother to the house, but said he would not have any part in such an effort if the goal was to separate the children into foster care. He said family and friends stand ready to take them in.

He described the children as loving, well-adjusted, with enough food to last a month. They're thin because they eat healthy food and lead a healthy outdoor lifestyle, the lawyer said.

``The real crime these people perpetrated is that they are poor,'' Steele said.

The specter of Ruby Ridge is inescapable here. Three people died in that 1992 north Idaho standoff - anti-government isolationist Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a federal deputy marshal, one of several sent to arrest Weaver on a weapons charge.

Weaver told KHQ-TV of Spokane, Wash., on Thursday that the children likely have a strong distrust of the government.

``They might very well be thinking, 'We love each other and we want to stay together,''' Weaver said.

The family fell on hard times when the family's sawmill business went bankrupt in the 1980s. Michael McGuckin, who had worked at a lumber mill, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis several years back.

The Bonner County coroner attributed McGuckin's May 12 death at age 61 to malnutrition and dehydration.

Acquaintances say JoAnn believed chemicals sprayed on area roads had caused her husband's illness.

The younger children were kept home from school. With no money for utilities, the family often did without heat, electricity, telephone and running water.

The family home was sold at auction last year to satisfy unpaid back taxes, but the McGuckins remained in the residence under arrangements that remain unclear, officials said.

JoAnn McGuckin, 45 and a longtime Bonner County resident whose sister is married to a former Sandpoint police chief, home-schooled the kids while she and her husband worked odd jobs to make ends meet on their 40-acre plot on Garfield Bay.

The kids are all well-read, polite and bright, Wallace said. They made occasional trips to Sandpoint to use the public library.

But about five years ago, JoAnn McGuckin's paranoia took a strange twist, Wallace and neighbors say. She pulled the kids and her husband away from almost all contact with friends and relatives, and stopped attending the local Catholic church.

Mary Peters, a Garfield Bay neighbor, said McGuckin shunned help from most neighbors and encouraged her kids to distrust outsiders.

Wallace said McGuckin refused to sign up for government aid, despite repeated requests from the food bank to take all the help she could get before she used its services.

Sheriff's deputies have made "several" stops at the McGuckin house since 1997, Robinson said.

Deputies were seldom allowed inside the house, he said. They were allowed to view the kids one by one on the front porch; they didn't appear to be ill treated.

And besides, in a county where it's not unusual to find people living in teepees all year, or in cabins with no power or water, officials tend to be reluctant to interfere.

Casual observers say they appreciate that police have chosen to stay back. But not all are sure that moving in the first place was the right thing to do.

"I think the state steps in too much," said Rob Johnson, 36, a contractor who ate lunch at the C&R Grocery store just down the road from the standoff.

"If the kids don't get hungry, then they can pretty well take care of themselves. They don't need a welfare check."

UPDATE 06/01/01 FRIDAY

Steele said Internet reports say anti-government groups are moving into northern Idaho.

"If this is really true, then I'll tell you something, the sheriff's department, promulgating this nonsense about these kids being without food and water, is only going to add fuel to the fire, and the sheriff is going to regret passing out this story, setting up a stage for these people to have a justification for confrontation with local government," said Steele.

Conditions at the McGuckin homestead have been a point of contention. It was initially described as having no water or electricity. The sheriff's office has since said it believes the home has some sort of running water and that electricity had been run to the house at some point in recent years.

It's believed the remaining children at the house have at least limited food available to them. The Bonner Community Food Center said the McGuckin family had been getting mostly non-perishable food on a regular basis over the past three years, but may not have had much extra food.

The children were said to be well-armed and proficient with guns, but Steele noted that no weapons have been seen in this standoff. The house is located near the community of Garfield Bay, about 10 miles south of this north Idaho town.

A family friend picked up a 200-pound box of staples for them last Friday 05/25/01 at the Bonner Community Food Center, where the family regularly received food, director Alice Wallace said.

Of reports that the children had been subsisting on lily pad soup and lake water, Wallace said, "They weren't existing on that and that alone."

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"We have not made contact with the other children, although we've attempted it. They're not responding," Bonner County Sheriff's Sgt. Bob Rahn said. "Hopefully the boy is going to be able to provide us with some information, and maybe some assistance in trying to wind this thing down with the other kids." The boy was seen entering the property in the company of sheriff's deputies Friday afternoon. A telephone truck and one of the mother's lawyers also entered the property.

A lawyer for the family, Edgar J. Steele, in a statement distributed by militia groups across the country, called the deadlock "a modern American tragedy in the making" and blamed authorities for moving in on a family "whose only crime was poverty."

In the rural lakeside town of Sagle, half an hour's drive from Sandpoint, Ida., there is support for Sheriff Phil Jarvis' move to step in on behalf of the children but a strong belief that families like the McGuckins who choose to keep to themselves are far from extraordinary.

"I moved up here 12 years ago from Boston to get away from the rat race," Daly said. "I've seen a lot of people come in here that don't have two nickels to rub together, but they're due their privacy. As far as I know, it's still a free country," he said.

"You find a dirty road out here and it's posted (no trespassing), you don't want to go up it. You take your life in your hands if you do."

The state -- whose legislature is the most Republican in America -- has touted advances in welfare reform that have seen an 84.2 percent reduction in caseload over the past six years, the second highest in the country. But social activists complain the aggressive caseload cutback has left many families without a safety net. The state's refusal to grant cash assistance to families of disabled people -- as the children's father, Michael McGuckin, was when he lost his sawmill and fell ill with multiple sclerosis -- "consigns many of these families to extreme poverty," the Idaho Community Action Network said in a report last year.

In court this week, county prosecutor Phil Robinson said authorities have received calls of concern about the family from neighbors since 1997. The county coroner heard from JoAnn McGuckin after her husband's death earlier this month. He offered to send a vehicle out to pick up the body, but McGuckin had loaded the body in the back of her car and brought it in, according to court documents.

UPDATE 06/01/01 PM: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

acbcomp@sisna.com wrote:
I live in Sandpoint and have been a private party, working to try and
help in the situation.  As it stands, the county took the families
property two years ago, and sold it... it appears to have been a
sweetheart deal, but no proof yet.  the Land is prime timber property 40
acres, with lake front access to beaver lake... you figure the math, It
is yet to be confirmed but it appears it sold for a mere 50K...  The
family has endured a father's slow death from MS. The children were
homeschooled and from what I can gather from a brief visit with a
friend, they were a respectable family, the view from the air showed a
clean homesite.   It all is stacking up to be a county con job.  We are
trying to get the mother out of jail, but funds appear to be what is
hold things up.  the Atty: is trying to get the 100K bond down to a
"reasonable" amount.  I know a fund has been established to help the
family, but do not know the specifics YET.  The Atty is Edgar J. Steel
Steele@PlainLawTalk.com if you need to contact with support.  There will
be a press conference at 4 PM  I hope to be there with cameras blazzing,
I will try to keep everyone informed... this all appears to be a
media/county gov. demonizing operation to cover things up....

acbcomp
Re: Sandpoint, Id: A modern American tragedy in
Fri Jun 1 21:20:13 2001


In this case things are moving so fast, it is hard to keep up... Included
you will find the hand out by the atty. who was representing the kids. But
today, a switch took place, I am told, that the mother deneighed that
Steele was representing them, refused to see him, and as he was working on
this at no charge, without a client, he was out of it, then hardly before I
could digest that, a report came that the county had cut of all
communication to Steele, and right after that the "powers" in Bonner
County had contacted the Idaho State Bar, and Steele had been suspended
from practicing law.
No part of this I got first had, and the later second
hand, so I hailed down a Spokane TV news team and asked them if they were
aware that Steele was shut down, and they said yes they were aware. Folks
we know that if we dug into the internal politics for the "powers" of about
any community these days in comparison, a sewer would smell sweet, but
something is going on here. I have never seen a county so concerned about
the children, unless maybe the fed at Waco. Emotions are running high on
both sides here. An ABC poll from Spokane was 47% to 40% against the county
in public sentiment. But if the things above are actually true, then something addressed in the following news release from Attorney Steele has
this county government enraged.The following is a handout by the Attorney for the children under siege by the prosecuting attorney and Sheriff's Department of Bonner County (Sandpoint, Idaho area)


[[EDGAR J. STEELE
Attorney at Law
102 South Fourth Avenue, Suite C
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864
Facsimile: (208) 265-5329
Telephone: (208) 265-4153
Email: steele@nidlink.com
Admitted in Idaho, Oregon, Washington & California
PRESS RELEASE-IMMEDIATE
May 31, 2001, 4:00 p.m., Sagle, Idaho
Contact: Edgar J. Steele, attorney for JoAnn McGuckin and her children
Sandpoint, Idaho. A modern American tragedy in the making. That's what the
Sagle, Idaho, McGuckin family "standoff" represents.
The McGuckin family home and the 40 acres upon which it stands were recently
sold for a pittance by the county government for past-due taxes. It brought
only $50,000, while the property is in prime territory, with fully half of
Beaver Lake on its eastern edge.

Dad died recently after a long and valiant struggle with multiple sclerosis,
not of "malnutrition and dehydration," which has wildly and falsely been
reported as the cause of death. Just a couple of days this tight-knit family
buried Dad, county government lured her out with a promise of money and free
groceries, then arrested her, leaving them only to have to deal with the
kids. That was a mistake, of course, but not their first.
Rather than allow this tightly-knit family a decent period to grieve the
loss of their beloved husband and father, the county government instead is
doing its best to make the family's worst nightmare come true.

For years, Mrs. McGuckin has been fearful of the government taking her
property and her kids. Today, that fear is realized, with the issuance of an
order through Child Protection Service, making the six children its wards.
Of course, the Sheriff can't get near the house to make good on that order.

She has been jailed on a charge of felony child endangerment, allegedly for
not providing a proper home for the children, including food, hygiene and
education.
Well, admittedly they running water is off temporarily, because the well
pump broke and, what with Dad's severe condition as his days drew to a
close, they just didn't have the time or the money to deal with it properly.
So, they drew water from the crystal-clear lake on their property for
washing and to flush their toilets with. And, yes, the laundry did pile up,
but what family doesn't have a few domestic backlogs when it loses it
patriarch?

And the children are home schooled, fact, which makes them politically
incorrect, even by North Idaho standards.

But, they do have food, contrary to reports, and the power was hooked up and
paid for when Mrs. McGuckin was arrested.

Are they armed? Who knows? Nobody has seen any weapons and no gunshots have
been fired. Sheriff Jarvis has shown great prudence in executing the orders
he is lawfully obligated to follow. He did not cut off any essential
services, as has been reported. He has vowed to keep his men well away from
the house and allow us time to effect a peaceful resolution to this crisis.

That resolution must begin with the release from custody of JoAnn McGuckin
and the rescission of the order giving custody of her children over to the
government. Friends and family stand ready to accept responsibility for the
children while Mrs. McGuckin puts her life in order and proves the
outrageous charges against herself to be false. However, the demand by the
county Prosecuting Attorney that the bail, initially set for $10,000, be
elevated to $100,000, effectively guarantees that Mrs. McGuckin will not be
given that opportunity.
We are now asking the court for a reduction in the bond requirement and will
then seek a modification to the CPS order, whereby the children are given
over, as a single unit, to the custody of a trusted family friend. Then, we
will take on these outlandish charges and give them the ignominious end that
they deserve. We are also investigating this highly questionable attempted
seizure of the McGuckin family home.
Donations to the family can be made to:
McGuckin Family Trust
P.O. Box 1255
Sagle, ID 83860 ]] Something is brewing!

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Bryce Powell, the court-appointed attorney for the children's mother, 
confirmed late Friday that talks have taken place with the children. He 
wouldn't say who was involved. He said progress had been made but more 
work remains to coax the children from the house.
"The children have food and water and they know their mom is alive," Powell 
said as he drove away from the isolated home, set off in the north Idaho 
woods on a barricaded dirt road.
Bonner County prosecutor Phil Robinson said he hoped contact with the 
children would escalate negotiations.

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Will Flatt mailto:minuteman1969@yahoo.com
Gov't Motives in the Standoff, part 2
Sat Jun 2 18:35:03 2001


There is also another issue that I find deeply disturbing, and that is the sudden switch of attorneys in this case, as well as the unreasonably high bail (excessive bail is a violation of the 8th Amendment!!) for someone who is not a 'flight risk' or even remotely violent.

I, for one, would like to know why Mr. Edgar Steele is not allowed to see his client, why the government will not allow him to contact JoAnn McGuckin, and why Bryce Powell, the government attorney, is the only one allowed to see her now. I smell a rat... now are they going to take JoAnn to Colorado and try her secretly in front of federal judge Richard Matsch?!?

Who in America will stand up to this farce?!? Who will end this? Have we sunk so low that we will do NOTHING when the government lays siege to a home full of children that don't want to be split up to never see each other again, carted off to government-funded foster homes where the likelihood of being molested is imminent?

This is the other ulterior motive of the crooks in this county... wait till one parent dies, arrest the other on bogus charges, and then kidnap the kids... after all, theyre doing it.... FOR THE CHILDREN!!!! A local official even appeared on the TV, spouting that classic line, "Local government officials like us only want to help...." well do you believe them?

I am still in fear for the future of our nation.

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=2177

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UPDATE: Sunday, June 3, 2001

Edgar Steele mailto:steele@nidlink.com
I am a lawyer with offices in Sandpoint
Sun Jun 3 12:44:55 2001

Dear fellow citizen,

My name is Edgar Steele. I am a lawyer with offices in Sandpoint, Idaho and
the San Francisco Bay Area. You have provided me your email address in
connection with my involvement in the current McGuckin family "standoff" in
Sagle, Idaho. I apologize for not having responded to you immediately, but
I have been preoccupied with developing the many civil issues involved in
the McGuckin case.

As it happens, the McGuckin house is just up the road from my mine, here in
Sagle. They have been a reclusive family (there is nothing wrong with
that), so I never met them before JoAnn McGuckin was arrested this past week
for "felony child endangerment." In a very real sense, they are neighbors
of mine, so I would have offered them my help even if I had not been asked
to do so by several people.

This is quite literally breaking news: The local authorities have just
persuaded the children who were holed up in the family home to come out and
have spirited them away to an unknown location. I am delighted this has
ended without any injury to any person. Now we can move on to consideration
of what is happening to this family by keeping their mother and her children
separated since just a couple of days after they buried their husband and
father. Of course, there is also the matter of the property that was taken
by the county for only about $ 8,000 in back taxes....

As reported in the press release reproduced below, which I read to the media
assembled in Garfield Bay earlier today, I withdrew from active
representation yesterday afternoon because I was suddenly denied access to
my clients. You see, if I were to continue, I would have had to share my
files with the fellow who claimed to be her sole contact representative, the
court-appointed lawyer. Also, I would have had my efforts directed and
controlled by him. He didn't retain me, JoAnn did. As I am sure you
appreciate, I will not be held accountable in this case to anybody whose
last name is not "McGuckin."

Please understand this: I have not abandoned the McGuckins, however, and
will immediately renew my representation of any family member, of any age,
who personally asks me to do so...and at no charge.

As it now stands, I will continue to speak out about the outrageous charges
lodged against Mrs. McGuckin and the outlandish bail amount which prevents
her release from jail.
Thank you for your interest.

-ed

Edgar J. Steele
Attorney at Law
102 South Fourth Avenue, Suite C
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864
Admitted in Idaho, Oregon, Washington & California
Facsimile: (208) 265-5329
Telephone: (208) 265-4153
email: steele@nidlink.com

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June 4, 2001  16:00 EDT

Father of Children in Idaho Stalemate Came From Prominent Boston Family

By Justin Pope
Associated Press Writer

BOSTON (AP) - He lived "off the grid" in the forests of Idaho, and his
children were raised to fear and distrust the government. But Michael
McGuckin was hardly a typical mountain man, with roots in a well-known
Boston family and a prep-school education from Groton.

McGuckin, who suffered from multiple sclerosis, died May 12 of dehydration
and malnutrition. His wife, JoAnn, was arrested last week on child-neglect
charges, triggering a five-day standoff at their home between their children
and authorities outside Garfield Bay, Idaho.

One of the children surrendered Thursday, and the remaining five gave up
on Saturday after negotiators promised to try to help them stay together.
Deputies had waited them out because the children were believed to be
armed.

The confrontation surprised people who had known McGuckin as a polite
and engaging entrepreneur and a talented musician.

"He was an enormously likable, highly successful, highly intelligent man,"
Francis Laidlaw, the former husband of Michael McGuckin's sister, said
Monday. "He was not a separatist in any way, shape or form - the
antithesis of that."

But classmates of McGuckin's at Groton, the prestigious Massachusetts
boarding school, said they had few memories of him even though there
were just 44 students in the class of 1957, and one remembered him
as an unfriendly oddball.

"I don't know of a single person who fit the definition of a friend of his,
" recalled classmate Jonathan Yardley, now the book editor and a
columnist at The Washington Post. "He was not a friendly guy."

McGuckin's father was a Harvard-educated stockbroker and his mother
was a Shreve, of the well-known Boston jeweler Shreve Crump & Low Co.

After Groton, McGuckin ended up with Yardley at the University of
North Carolina, where Yardley said he continued to carry "a chip on
his shoulder."

McGuckin later served in the Army, where he learned to speak Arabic,
and then started a number of businesses, including a furniture company.

But his attempt to build a sawmill in Idaho failed and the family fell into
poverty and reportedly became increasingly withdrawn, rejecting help
from neighbors.

"It's just incomprehensible to me," Laidlaw said. "He was a veteran for
one thing, and certainly if they were without funds he could have gone
to some VA hospital and gotten some relief. But he was a proud man."

"He was a back-to-the land type person, but he had a purpose to go
there," Laidlaw said. "He was even talking at one time of establishing
a haven for underprivileged children."

The last time Laidlaw spoke with McGuckin was three years ago.
McGuckin was already suffering the effects of his disease, but it
was mentioned only briefly as they discussed music. McGuckin played
several styles of guitar and Arabic instruments.

"At the end of the conversation I said I always loved the way he
played," he said. "And the sad part was when he said he couldn't
even hold an instrument anymore."

This story can be found at :
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAYVJJNKNC.html

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Government agencies:

Idaho Child Protective Services
During business hours, you can call the Idaho CareLine at 800-926-2588
Idaho Department of Health and Welfare
450 W. State Street,
Boise, Idaho 83720-0036
(208) 334-5500

Sandpoint (local) Office (208) 265-4523 24 hour emergency numbers: 265-4523
1-888-769-1405

Quote from press reports: "CPS coordinator Michelle Britton said Thursday
the only thing she's certain of right now is that the kids will be well
cared for, but there's no guarantee the six will be able to stay together.
Regardless of where they stay, all of the kids will get an immediate
psychological and physical evaluation. They will also get regular visits to
a counselor to help them adjust to foster care. " Yeah after you made them
motherless!!!

County Prosecutor Phil Robinson:

PH:Bonner County Courthouse at: (208) 265-1432.
Bonner County Courthouse
215 South First Ave
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864

Bonner County Sheriff: Phil Jarvis, Sheriff

Phil Jarvis, Sheriff Bonner County, Idaho (208) 263-8417
website: http://www.idahosheriff.com/bonner/
email: bonnersheriff@hotmail.com

Bonner County Commissioners:

Jerry Clemens. Brian Orr. And, Retired G-Man (wouldn't you know it....),
Tom Suttemeir.

They can be reached at the following address and number:

Bonner County Commissioners
Phone: 208-265-1438
Fax: 208-265-1460
Email: commissioner@co.bonner.id.us

Bonner County Courthouse
215 South First Ave
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864
Phone: 208-263-1438
Fax: 208-265-1460

Governor:

Contact You can write Idaho Governor Dirk Kempthorne at:

Office of the Governor
700 West Jefferson, 2nd Floor
PO Box 83720
Boise, Idaho 83720-0034
or Fax 208-334-2175

Local Media:

The Bonner County Daily Bee (newspaper)
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/
P.O. Box 159 / Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 / 208-263-9534
Fax letters to the editor to: (208)263-9091
email letters to the editor to:
kmiller@cdapress.com

This is a local weekly with a section on Bonner County.
Bonner County News
Rural Northwest
Mike Weland, Editor
Published by Woodbury Reports, Inc.
PO Box 1107
Bonners Ferry ID 83805
(208) 267-5550
Star Silva at star@ruralnorthwest.com

The Idaho Observer at: (208) 255-2307
or by visiting the website at: http://www.proliberty.com/observer

The Idaho Observer
PO Box 457
Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
observer@dmi.net
http://www.proliberty.com/observer

Quote: "Don Harkins is the editor of The Idaho Observer, a monthly
tabloid- > sized, 24-page newspaper that seeks to report the truth of
events that are shaping the social/political, spiritual and economic demise
of our once free nation."

Spokane TV email:
http://www.kxly.com/contacts/

Spokane Newspaper:
Spokesman Review
http://www.spokesmanreview.com

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Observer
Why so many Inconsistencies with McGuckin?
Tue Jun 5 08:58:23 2001

It seems to me that this story has more holes than the folks who call themselves human in that local and silent state government. Where's the representatives for the people there? They're all silent and why? Is there some unspoken agreement to let the government steal children and the media lies for them?

From what I studied about law, when you have contradictions
Some one is lying. And I know about journalist because I'm one and they omit or leave in what the want to give the story the slant they want. I suppose it is the agenda killing the children of the poor you help to create, like the McGuckins, when they saved the spotted Owl and now that the family is vulnerable they move in to sell the children or draw in money through there foster racket. All the money they spent in five days would have fixed her water, paid the taxes and bought food for her children, but then they would not get the children, to socialize into their global tyranny. Be intolerant of criminals America, no matter how powerful.

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The Idaho Statesman News, June 4, 2001-Monday

The mother's statement

"Those children are my children, not wards of the state. The state needs to learn its place and that is not in family business. It is up to them to explain their behavior to everyone because it affects us all. May the public demand some answers. May the family be protected for ever and ever.

"May they (the state) be punished for their imposition. But may affairs of the heart be the purview of love within the home, and may they never be confused. The Constitution of the United States of America supports this premise."

-- JoAnn McGuckin's statement was released by her lawyer Sunday

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/daily/20010604/LocalNews/126223.shtml

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The Associated Press

One of up to 30 dogs at the McGuckin family home is visible under a pickup truck that blocks the driveway on Garfield Bay Cutoff Road near Sagle on Sunday. The white dog is the alpha male, according to Bonner County Sgt. Mike McDaniel.

Future of up to 30 McGuckin dogs is uncertain
Because of biting, animals may be hard to put in new homes
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/daily/20010605/LocalNews/125066.shtml

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Protest for McGluckin Family in SANDPOINT , IDAHO June 11, 2001

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Sandpoint 06-11-01
There has been a great deal of interest expressed in
what's happening with the McGuckin Family here in
North Idaho. There was a rally held in Sandpoint, Idaho
Monday June 11, 2001 that we attended. We've posted
some of the pictures from the rally for those that wish to
view them.
Click Here to View Pictures
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/mcguckin/photos1.html

Joann McGuckin Has Mentioned the Constitution, Right?
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This is a good place worth fighting for...
Wed Jun 13 17:32:41 2001
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Re: McGuckin children visit mother in jail -  Wed Jun 13 22:46:53 2001
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     SANDPOINT, ID, June 13 - JoAnn McGuckin
     saw something Tuesday that she hadn't seen since
     the end of May: her children.

     McGuckin's lawyer, Bryce Powell, told Q6 News Wednesday
     that JoAnn's six children involved in a North Idaho standoff got to
     see her Tuesday for the first time since this all began. Powell says
     the children were brought to the jail for a supervised visit.

     Powell also says he's optimistic a deal will be worked out with
     prosecutors within the next two weeks that will reunite McGuckin
     with her children on a more permanent basis.

     Because of those ongoing negotiations a criminal hearing for
     JoAnn was delayed Wednesday. The children's custody hearing
     originally scheduled for Thursday has also been postponed
     because of the negotiations.

     Powell also says a person in Florida has offered to buy the
     McGuckins a home, a car, and support them through an
     allowance.

     The state of Idaho wants to see the family back together, but
     also wants to retain some control over the custody and welfare of
     the children.

     The six McGuckin children, five of whom kept Bonner County
     deputies at bay during a five day standoff, are still being cared for
     by a foster family. Authorities say the children are in good health
     and are doing well.

     JoAnn McGuckin faces the charges of felony injury to a child,
     but those charges may be reduced as part of the
     negotiations. McGuckin has refused to leave jail, even though her
     bail has been dropped. She is still demanding that the charges
     against her be dropped, and her children be released to her care.

     PROTESTORS DEMAND MOTHER'S RELEASE

     While JoAnn McGuckin
     remained in jail, about two
     dozen people are picketed      (Picture)
     the Bonner County Jail
     Monday, demanding her
     release. The protestors
     carried signs saying "Bonner
     County Sucks" and "Free JoAnn". Many of the protestors
     claimed McGuckin is being held as a political prisoner against her
     will.

     But a statement released Monday by JoAnn McGuckin shows
     she doesn't want the support of the protestors. In the statement,
     McGuckin says she "does not belong to any political organization
     of any kind." She calls herself one of the original North Idaho
     independants, and says, "if the purpose of the rally is to raise
     money, please do not do so in my name, as I cannot honor your
     causes."

     In her statement, McGuckin went on to refuse any help from
     the protestors. "I do not accept from that which I do not feel I
     can return the favor," McGuckin said. "This is one of those times."


     Q6 Reporter Virginia Kerr reports on the poor conditions
     inside the McGuckin home
     http://www.spokane.net/marketplace/partners/khqnews_inside.asp

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Exiled One
A Letter to All from Jack McLamb
Mon Jun 11 14:11:26 2001

HERE IS THE TRUE CHARACTER OF THE SANDPOINT PROTESTORS
From: JACK MCLAMB
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 14:36
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@terry3.cybrquest.com
Subject: I'm going to help the McGuckin family in Sandpoint, Idaho, on Monday
Dear brothers and sisters,
I am going to Sandpoint, Idaho on Monday 6-11-01 to show support for the recently incarcerated Home Schooler and mother Mrs. JoAnn McGuckin and her children who have been wrongly separated from her by the authorities (Child Protective Services.) Keep in mind, this old cop speaks from authority and personal experience when I say - "no where on earth are more children abused than in the care of state and county child protective services. As it is a known fact that many wise pediphiles and other deviants become foster parents to have the state give them access to our children and get paid for it at the same time.)
For whatever the reasons, because of her home schooling her children (which the state considers one of the greatest of evils) or to get control of her valuable lake front property (which has just been taken from her) Mrs. McGuckin, just weeks after burying her husband who died of MS, is now in county jail under dubious charges of child abuse because allegedly her house was not clean enough and her children have been taken from her and put into government foster homes.
I am going to Sandpoint because the government is destroying another American family as we all stand by and watch.
I was up there, just a few miles away from Sandpoint, in 1992 at a mountain cabin (surrounded by 500 plus militarized law enforcement troops of our "philanthropic" government). As I was there to do what I could to help save the lives of the remaining living members of the Weaver family. At that time, I personally witnessed the government's love of "the children". I saw our government's concern for our children in the dead, cold, bullet riddled body of little13 year old son, Sammy Weaver. I saw our government's love for "the children" in the dead one-half face of mother Vicky Weaver as her body lay underneath the kitchen table in a pool of her own blood (the other side of her face was blown away with a high powered sniper rifle by one of my peers, a FBI swat team hired killer.) I was there in the cabin during the standoff and personally witnessed how our government cares for our children in the tear soaked faces of three little girls, Rachel, Sara and 10 month old baby sister Elishaba, as they cringed, frightened in the dark corners of their besieged home, and asking me and Col. Bo Gritz to not let the government agents kill them as they had killed their brother and mother. I saw the love our government has for our children as the FBI leaders of the hundreds of troops planned placing high explosive satchel charges on the windows and doors of the small, clap-board, cabin that housed the small girls and their wounded father and advised Col. Bo and me we had to leave the cabin before the government set off the deadly explosives to bring the siege/standoff to a end.
And I wasn't there, but should have been, when my government killed the members, men women and children, of a church in Waco, Texas.
At that time, I vowed not to set at home and let my government destroy another American family without me trying to do something about it. That is why I went to try and aide Shirley Allen in Illinois a few years ago, who was wrongly attacked and almost killed by other county, and state government officials with guns. And this is why I am going to drop all my work and go to the aide of another fellow American and her children, who is being crushed by the authorities in Bonner County, Idaho.
Sheriff Phil Jarvis - who, it is alleged, has been one of the main perpetrators of these crimes against this good and peaceful, American family, has said that he will arrest all that come into his county on Monday to protest the treatment of Mrs. Joann McGuckin and her children. I say to Sheriff Phil Jarvis, if you have wrongly come against and persecuted this family, me and many of your colleagues in uniform are absolutely ashamed of you,...and to "get your jails ready" because this old cop will go to his grave before I stand by and let another despotic government agent destroy another fellow American and their children, and secondly, before I allow another autocratic, potentate, to violate our fellow Americans First Amendment exercise to peacefully gather together and speak from the heart about important issues. And, I could be wrong, but I believe there is the possibility that there could be a few more like me that will be there to stand up for the McGuckin family and against the Sheriff's and prosecutor's, and their behind-the-scenes Overlords, tyrannical, abuse of power.
I am not calling on others to join me on Monday at 11am, on the count house steps in Sandpoint, Idaho. But, my heart feels - It's been far too long since some of us have STOOD-UP, and marched, hand in hand, to the words of "ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS...."
I don't ask for your attendance, but I do ask for your support and prayers for the McGuckin family in their hours of distress and need, and for the harden hearts of the "authorities" of Bonner County to be softened to the needs of this good family. Or, in the alternative, that you pray that Almighty GOD of Heaven, confound and stop the enemies who will continue to come against this family and their friends and neighbors, from any further evil they have, or may, concocted.
As to any officials and authorities who have been involved in this destructive process, I pray that you will each ask our Heavenly Father to remove their power, and their worthless, corrupted personages from the offices they have violated in any fashion HE sees fit.
Yours in Freedom, under God, - I am your brother, Jack McLamb.

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McGlucking Family UPDATE:

     spokesman-review
     McGuckin children left in limbo
     Thu Jun 21 15:30:48 2001
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=3288

     McGuckin children left in limbo
     Mother's legal status keeps kids' fate on hold
     Related stories

     Susan Drumheller - Staff writer

     SANDPOINT _ The McGuckin children will move to
     another temporary foster home this weekend while
     awaiting a court decision on their future.

     It's been nearly a month since JoAnn McGuckin was
     arrested on child neglect charges, and nearly three weeks
     since her children were coaxed out of their Garfield Bay
     home and into state custody.

     But because of attempts to negotiate a settlement on the
     neglect charges and the children's custody, the state's
     efforts to establish a more permanent home for the
     children have been put on hold.

     A custody hearing and a preliminary hearing in the neglect
     case are both scheduled for Wednesday. If no settlement is
     reached, a request to delay the custody hearing is possible.

     That would be resisted by the children's attorney, Brent
     Featherston.

     "There's a lot of detriment that can be caused by another
     continuation," Featherston said. "We don't get any
     answers, and the children don't have any sense of direction
     or any sense of stability."

     Michelle Britton, regional director for the Idaho
     Department of Health and Welfare, said the state should
     focus its attention on the children's well-being.

     ``I do think there is a lot of public pressure because of this
     case and the media attention it's had,'' she said. ``There are
     too many interests, too many public interests now...

     ``We have to work very hard to make sure the focus
     doesn't get away from the children by trying to satisfy the
     public, for instance, or trying to reduce the attention by
     anti-government entities in this case.''

     The county prosecutor and sheriff have come under fire
     from government critics who have portrayed the case as
     an assault on an innocent family.

     The reports of starving children and deplorable living
     conditions are lies to help justify the county's actions --
     which include selling the family's home to pay delinquent
     property taxes, according to outspoken critics, which
     include Edgar Steele, the former attorney for Aryan
     Nations leader Richard Butler.

     But witnesses say the family's circumstances say the
     official reports are accurate -- and the children need
     outside help.

     Prosecuting Attorney Phil Robinson said his primary
     concern is protecting the kids, not pleasing JoAnn
     McGuckin. She remains in jail because she refuses to meet
     court conditions for her release.

     ``As long as the kids' long-term care and safety is
     adequately addressed, that's what we've sought from the
     beginning,'' Robinson said. ``Does that mean it could go
     away as a criminal case? Sure, it's on the table.''

     The children were taken into state custody June 2 after
     withdrawing into their home and refusing to leave for five
     days.

     Last month, their father died from multiple sclerosis and
     their mother was arrested on child neglect charges.

     After their mother's arrest, a deputy returned to take the
     children into protective custody. But the eldest son,
     15-year-old Ben, called to his siblings to ``get the guns,''
     and ran off into the woods. The other children then loosed
     the family's vicious dogs on deputies.

     While hiding in their home, the five other children feared
     the gunshots they heard hit their brother -- not the dogs the
     deputies were trying ward off, according to a family friend
     close to the children, who asked not to be identified. Ben
     actually had run off into the woods and stayed there.

     Every time a dog barked, the children hid in an interior
     bathroom of the house, fearing an attack from authorities,
     according to the friend.

     Now, after two weeks with a foster family and reunited
     with their brother, the children are learning that the outside
     world isn't all bad.

     After five years of isolation, they've been to a movie
     theater, gone roller-skating, hung out at the beach with
     dozens of other children, visited Timberfest and gone to
     church.

     Next week, they'll start again with a new temporary foster
     home, not far from where they're now living.

     ``The arrangement we have is practically where they were
     before. It's almost no move at all,'' Britton said. ``They're
     pretty much stabilized.''

     The family friend described the McGuckin children, ages 8
     through 16, as ``just kids'' who have some problems to
     work out. He described them as very intelligent -- just not
     educated to the level of their peers.

     They need tutoring, counseling and closure, he said.

     ``The (child protective) hearing is really critical,'' he said.
     ``They're being shuffled around and their protection is
     being put on the back burner while the county is trying to
     make JoAnn (McGuckin) happy.''

     The hearing would allow the state to start planning for
     permanent placement of the children. But with or without a
     shelter hearing, Britton said the children's immediate needs
     are being met.

     The church has acted as an extended family to the children
     in the past two weeks. Parishioners at St. Joseph's
     Catholic Church, whose offer of help to the McGuckins
     had been spurned in the past, are now cooking and baking
     to feed the foster family and its new wards.

     The children have visited their mother only once since she
     was taken into custody.

     During the visit at the jail, she learned they were going on a
     vacation with the foster family to the Oregon coast. The
     children have never seen the ocean. McGuckin called her
     attorney and the trip was canceled, said the Rev. Dennis
     Day of St. Joseph's.

     Such influence by the mother, who has no custody at the
     moment, has raised concerns among the parishioners that
     the children's interests could be overlooked in the
     long-term, too.

     Bryce Powell, McGuckin's court-appointed attorney, said
     he couldn't talk about the vacation because of a court gag
     order on the child protection case.

     However, ``that's a concern carried too far out of a little
     incident with a lot of circumstances,'' he said.

     The children's interests are being represented by a
     volunteer court-appointed special advocate. Featherston
     represents the children through the advocate.

     Neither Featherston nor Robinson have met with the
     children, but the advocate has visited them on at least three
     occasions.

     McGuckin and her attorney have proposed a settlement
     that would appoint a third-party guardian over the children.
     The proposed guardian is out of town and has not been
     consulted by attorneys at any length, Robinson said.

     The guardian would be responsible for all decisions
     regarding the children's welfare. The state would have no
     involvement, but the court would.

     Another element of negotiations is a requirement for
     McGuckin to have a psychological evaluation.

     That will help determine whether the mother is able to care
     for her children, Robinson said. The results could also
     dictate what kind of conditions the court could place on
     reuniting McGuckin with her family.

     ``The court, being aware of the circumstances, could set
     conditions where again, say, the children could not be
     returned to the physical, unsupervised contact with her,
     without court approval,'' Robinson said.

     Friends and neighbors have described McGuckin as
     extremely paranoid, and officers' reports following welfare
     checks at the home back up those descriptions.

     ``She was a good mother. That was a good family,'' said
     the family friend. ``Somewhere, it just went sour.''

     The eldest daughter, 19-year-old Erina, brought the case to
     the attention of authorities most recently, following her
     father's death.

     She left home about a year ago, and returned last month
     after being discharged from the Navy for medical reasons
     related to previous malnutrition.

     She told the prosecutor, the sheriff's office and Child
     Protective Services about the conditions of the home, lack
     of food and her own health problems attributed to those
     living conditions.

     ``From that, we made the decision we were going to have
     to do something,'' Robinson said. ``That's how things got
     started.''

     The children's allegiances lie with their mother, and they've
     not seen Erina, according to the friend.

     While Erina is estranged from the family, who consider her
     something of a traitor, others see her as a heroine.

     ``It would be a real shame if the courage she showed was
     for nothing,'' the friend said.
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