Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:07:44 -0400
From: "John Perna" <email@example.com>
Reply-To: "John Perna" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: "American Patriot Friends Network" <email@example.com>
References: <01c901bfc5eb$1697d960$71d555d8@default> <392CB62B.1A7F7FC7@apfn.org>
I am 52 year old. I have watched jets making trails in the sky ever since
they were first invented, and replaced prop driven planes.
The "McCarthy ERA" was my childhood, and jets were leaving trails in the sky
at that time. Jet fuel is Hydrocarbon. When it burns, it forms carbon dioxide and water
vapor. The water vapors condense in the cold atmosphere and make a cloud, just like
all of the other clouds. The only difference is that they mark the pathway
of the jet. It is a natural phenomenon, which no one can change.
IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT EVERY ANONYMOUS TESTIMONIAL is a hoax.
Anyone who has hard EVIDENCE about something of great importance would
certainly gain the support of the American people, AN GO DOWN IN HISTORY, as
a HERO, for making it known.
We are generally told that the identity of the persons, who give these
ANONYMOUS TESTIMONIALS, must be kept secret "because they would go to
prison" if it was known that they had revealed this information. And where
can we read the statute that they would be charged with violating? Even
violating a confidentiality agreement is not a crime, but a civil matter.
People who post ANONYMOUS TESTIMONIALS are TOTALLY UNRELIABLE IN ALL REGARDS.
Even if the people who post ANONYMOUS TESTIMONIALS are not consciously
perpetrating a hoax; then they are still TOTALLY UNRELIABLE IN ALL REGARDS,
because they are gullable and foolish.
There are THOUSANDS of airline mechanics. Why is there only ONE ANONYMOUS
STORY allegedly from an airline mechanic?
There are THOUSANDS of airline management personel. Why is there only ONE
ANONYMOUS STORY allegedly from an airline management person?
The REALLY interesting thing to notice, if HOW MANY of the "experts"; who
help to propagate the "chemtrails" story ARE PAST OR PRESENT FEDERAL
EMPLOYEES. It is also interesting to see how many ANONYMOUS testimonials we
get. Why is there never any hard evidence? If you will study the tactics used by the FBI COINTELPRO program.
you will recognize FBI COINTELPRO immediately.
Take note of the following paragraph:
"The FBI COINTELPRO program was initiated in 1956. Its purpose, as
described later by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, was "to expose, disrupt,
misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize activities" of those
individuals and organizations whose ideas or goals he opposed. Tactics
included: falsely labelling individuals as informants; infiltrating groups
with persons instructed to disrupt the group; sending anonymous or forged
letters designed to promote strife between groups; initiating politically
motivated IRS investigations; carrying out burglaries of offices and
unlawful wiretaps; and disseminating to other government agencies and to
the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and
If you understand the meaning of the tactic "to expose, disrupt, misdirect,
discredit, or otherwise neutralize activities" you will understand that the
person who is most likely of being a Fed, is the one who involves patriots
in activities that have no effect on the New World Order, or which will
destroy the credibility of the patriots.
The New World Order would like to convince people that we are all a bunch of
paranoid nuts, because we are trying to warn people about THEM.
They would probably be more capable of convincing people that we are
paranoid nuts, if they could convince us to run around warning people about
Dear Chicken Little and the rest of the flock:
I hate to ruin your fun, but the fact is; The sky is NOT falling.
Think about it. Just how many people would have be conscious dedicated
agents of this chemtrail conspiracy, in order to carry out this project and
to keep it quiet?
1. Every single employee who works in every single agency that regulates,
health, the environment, air traffic, interstate commerce, the military, or
transportation at EVERY level of government (FEDERAL, STATE, and LOCAL).
2. Every health care professional in the country both in every level of
government, and in the private sector. WHERE IS THE AMERICAN LUNG
3. Everyone involved in the media. Is there no one who wants to win the
4. All Airline employees or military personnel involved in creating these
5. All of the safety inspectors who regularly inspect every part of every
6. All of the mechanics who regularly maintain airplanes.
7. All of the unions for airplane workers.
8. This project: if it exists, would cost billions of dollars. Who is paying
for it? Our constitution mandates that every penny that the government
spends must be approved by the House of Representatives. What is the number
and the name of the Bill that appropriated the money for the Chemtrails
project? Why did we never hear about any debate? Were Ron Paul and Helen
Chenoweth Hage absent that day? Is the ENTIRE Congress of United States in
on this chemtrails conspiracy?
I am sure I have missed a few million other people, but why even bother to
go on? The REALLY interesting thing to notice, if HOW MANY of the "experts";
who help to propagate the "chemtrails" story ARE PAST OR PRESENT FEDERAL
EMPLOYEES. It is also interesting to see how many ANONYMOUS testimonials we
get. Why is there never any hard evidence?
Back to the real problems that face us: Loss of the Bill of Rights, National
Sovereignty, usurpation of the Constitution etc.
To all of those "space cadets": Please visit the Planet Earth some day.
You will like it very much.... if we can save it from The New World Order,
before you come back out of orbit.
These fantasies are not only a waste of your time, but also a destruction of
While you go off on these wild goose chases, you cannot do anything that
actually WOULD help to protect freedom.
If you make a fool of yourself, no one will ever believe you
when you actually do have something important to say.
When a real crisis comes, everyone will just disregard what you say.
They will only remember you as a paranoid nut who thought that the clouds
and the road signs were out to get him.
Have you ever heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?
One day there will be a story about the nut who cried chemtrails.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Utterback
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:25 AM
Subject: [piml] Airline/Chemtrails Hoax Continued
There has been a second message posted on the Airline/Chemtrails
hoax. It is copied below. After the new message, the original
message is copied with information showing it to be a hoax. My
comments are underlined.
Second Hoax message:
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:31:02 EDT
Subject: FWD:RENO SNEAK ATTACK/CHEMTRAILS UPDATE/GHOST PLANES
AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT on Chemtrails Spraying
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of the author
May 22 2000
I read the email you received from the anonymous mechanic and felt
compelled to respond to it. I, too, work for an airline, though I work
in upper management levels. I will not say which airline, what city I
am located, nor what office I work for, for obvious reasons. I wish I
could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is
next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me.
The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in
America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf
for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed
on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees
who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo
background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign
non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone
what we know we could be imprisoned.
About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two
officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.
They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along
with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.
When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them,
they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we
weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals
were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to
be done at all costs.
When we asked them why didn't they just
military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there
weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such
a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was
initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these
chemicals into the atmosphere. Then someone asked why all the secrecy
was needed. The government reps then stated that if the general public
knew that the aircraft they were flying on were releasing chemicals into
the air, environmentalist groups would raise hell and demand the
Someone asked one of the G-men then if the
harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are
spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a
tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on,
but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that
we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it. With
that, the briefing was over.
All documents in our office pertaining to Project Cloverleaf are kept in
locked safes. Nobody is allowed to take these documents out of the
office. Very few employees are allowed access to these documents, and
they remain tight-lipped about what the documents say.
Mr. Carnicom, I am no fool. I know there's something going on. And
frankly, I am scared. I feel a high level of guilt that I have been
aware of this kind of operation but unable to tell anyone. It's been
eating away at me, knowing that the company I work for may be poisoning
the American people. I hope this letter will open some eyes to what's
Again, I wish I could give you documented information, but you have to
understand why I must remain totally anonymous.
The original report below is a hoax. Here is what an aircraft
mechanic had to say about it:
Definitely put this down as a hoax. I am an aircraft mechanic
and I've worked in aviation for 35 years. I've never worked on
the jumbo jets, but I work on all the 737s MD80s, and DC-9s.
There just isn't enough room in these aircraft to have the extra
tanks that this story mentions. Also, the static wicks he's
talking about are periodically tested for electrical continuity
to the aircraft ground. They frequently fail the test and must
be replaced or repaired. Finding one with tubing connected to
it would alert any unsuspecting technician that something is wrong
Odell Harwell <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I'm not going to take the time to do a detailed analysis on this
report but I will list a couple of clear examples in the copy
below of why this is a story somebody made up.
As for my maintenance experience, I spent four years in USAF Air
Operations where, among other things, I closely coordinated with
aircraft maintenance people. I have owned at different times
seven different aircraft, three of which I built myself and was
issued an FAA Repairman Certificate for those three which
authorized me to perform and sign off annual inspections on them.
In addition as a Group Commander in Civil Air Patrol, I was, among
other things, responsible for maintenance on four more assigned
aircraft. The less money an aircraft owner has, the more familiar
he becomes with aircraft maintenance and mechanics even though an
FAA certificated mechanic is required to inspect and sign off the
work accomplished by the owner (except for limited items that are
owner authorized maintenance, like oil changes.)
note new address: <email@example.com>
old address was: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
CHEMTRAILS - Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?
(Note - We cannot confirm the following statement but the implications are
enormous, and we expect there will be serious efforts to investigate and
evaluate these allegations quickly. -ed.)
For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not
divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work
at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have
discovered some information that I think you will find important.
First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have
Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the
engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems
are considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics
that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones
who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very
bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal
systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are
used to store the waste from the lavatories.
In order to impersonate any specialist, such as an aircraft
mechanic, you need to know the language and have an understanding
of relationships. The above paragraph indicates a clear lack of
understanding of relationships. For one thing, he considers
avionics techs to be mechanics. In the real world, neither
mechanics nor avionics techs consider avionics techs to be
mechanics; it is a totally separate job.
But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3
mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other
mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2
or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays
much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another
mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had never thought
much about this situation until last month.
Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other
airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one
of our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a
problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they
will fix our plane.
One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a
plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know
what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem
was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in
and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was
not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been
there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10
years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly
realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal
system. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company
showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I
happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the
extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him
worry about his!"
Aircraft do not have pipes or piping. They have lines and tubing.
This whole report should be sprinkled with aviation terms, but
the only aviation term I see is the word "fuselage." Also, I
never saw a mechanic who would say "I was called out from our base
to work on a plane for another airline." Instead of "a plane," he
would say the specific model of plane.
The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring
schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had
found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I
had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer
files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what
that equipment did.
The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for
periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during
these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look
at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I
figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the
plane I choose had the extra equipment!
I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found
what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard
looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could
trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were
no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the
unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell
in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50
gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed
through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When
I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it
cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste
A 50 gallon tank plus two smaller tanks is not large enough to
attempt to spray chemtrails with. Also, there is no room except
in the baggage compartments or tailcone to put such tanks. They
can not be put in the tailcone because of weight and balance
I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a
network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and
horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane
you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from
the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge
wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up
on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system
lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had
been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be
discharged through these fake wicks.
This installation would require very expensive and time consuming
major surgery on aircraft. Such unauthorized modifications would
cause alarm bells to ring for any mechanic who saw them - and they
would be seen. You just don't add unauthorized equipment to
aircraft, especially airliners, and especially not extensive
systems with lines going out the wings and horizontal stabilizers.
It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted
me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I
had not been authorized any overtime.
The word "managers" sounds very strange to me. The correct term
That's sufficient; I'll stop here.
The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to
continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery,
I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take
off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.
About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager.
When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I
did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been
discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in
false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned
in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few
hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was
ridiculous and that I had done this work. The union rep spoke up then and
recommended that we take a look at the plane and see if we could straighten
it all out. It was at this time that I asked who the other two men were. The
GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me
We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but
was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the
union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone
that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back
into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a
sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor
with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was
suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.
I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the
hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice
told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things
they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no
concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is I'm feeling generous, I
believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK. Again I had to
pick myself from off the floor. I made the connection that what had happened
was directly connected to my tracing the mysterious piping. The next morning
the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent
employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I
should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was
what are they trying to hide and who are THEY!
That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the
other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to
talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some
answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across your site.
That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a
note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be
looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."
Well that's it. THEY are watching me.
Well you already know what they are doing. I don't know what they
are spraying but I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are
using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the
lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and nobody
goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While
these guys are emptying the waste tanks they are filling the tanks of the
spray system. They know the planes flight path so they probably program the
control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a
certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small
that no one in the plane would see a thing.
God help us all, A concerned citizen.
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